Is it legal to move the f-pawn? Scared of Queen checks.

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DonaldoTrump

So recently I took some of the advice I got from one of my threads and payed  Magnus for some lessons. He told me to never move the f-pawn. 

 

This seems suspicious, should I never move my f-pawn? What should I do when I need to move it? Is there a substitute for it? I am scared of Queen checks.

tornado81
You can't be scared to move the f pawn when the queens aren't on the board :) that's what I think. I'm not Magnus so I don't know what his reasoning is behind that. Maybe you could ask him?
DonaldoTrump
pfren wrote:
 

Interesting game Pfren, now I think Magnus just told me that because he thinks I am a patzer. I am still surprised to see that Petersen didnt went for a normal setup with c4 and d5. 

I have been always wondering what the best answer to the Dutch is and as Black I have been thinking on using KIDs setups which would usually tranpose into 4 pawns. And as White because of the extra tempo I use Nc3 and Bg5, going for e4, still the KIA may be also interesting.

 

Probably something doesnt made click on my brain yet and I dont like knights on e5/e4 so I like d3/d6 setups.

AutisticCath
AutisticCath

DonaldoTrump

Wow, all those masters moving their f-pawn, why cant I do the same? This is how I move the f-pawn.

 
And I need to resign, why?
AutisticCath
DonaldoTrump wrote:

Wow, all those masters moving their f-pawn, why cant I do the same? This is how I move the f-pawn.

 
And I need to resign, why?

Are you certain they aren't talking about your electoral run when they say you need to resign? Come on, give us a better candidate, please!

Sqod
newengland7 wrote:

Come on, give us a better candidate, please!

Sqod
DonaldoTrump wrote:

This seems suspicious, should I never move my f-pawn? What should I do when I need to move it? Is there a substitute for it? I am scared of Queen checks.

OK, I'll assume the OP is being serious, since other people are taking him seriously...

The warning about moving the f-pawn is just a heuristic, which means that while it is usually true, there are exceptions...

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AILMENT:

Moving the f-pawn unwisely.

 

Moving the f-pawn typically has either or both of

two functions: to exert pressure against the enemy

e-pawn or to open the f-file. The latter is particularly

applicable when you've castled kingside. Exchang-

ing off the f-pawn gives your castled rook a clear

route to the opponent's camp. Even when you don't

exchange off the f-pawn, the rook might still be able

to move to the third rank on the f-file to shift over

for attack. But pushing the f-pawn early can have

the drawback of exposing your king to pesky queen

checks along the weakened K1-KR4 diagonal.

 

Rx

1. Don't move the f-pawn without careful consider-

ation.

2. If uncastled, can you move it and survive a queen

check at your KR4?

3. Can the enemy queen then shift from your KR4

to your K4 with check?

4. If castled kingside, will moving the f-pawn expose

you to checks along your QR7-KN1 diagonal?

5. Especially watch out for forking queen checks.

6. Never play a double-edged move without consid-

ering how it could falter.

7. Before playing it, give it one final look.

Pandolfini, Bruce. 1995. The Chess Doctor. New York: Simon & Schuster.

DonaldoTrump
Sqod wrote:
DonaldoTrump wrote:

This seems suspicious, should I never move my f-pawn? What should I do when I need to move it? Is there a substitute for it? I am scared of Queen checks.

OK, I'll assume the OP is being serious, since other people are taking him seriously...

The warning about moving the f-pawn is just a heuristic, which means that while it is usually true, there are exceptions...

----------

(p. 103)

29

AILMENT:

Moving the f-pawn unwisely.

 

Moving the f-pawn typically has either or both of

two functions: to exert pressure against the enemy

e-pawn or to open the f-file. The latter is particularly

applicable when you've castled kingside. Exchang-

ing off the f-pawn gives your castled rook a clear

route to the opponent's camp. Even when you don't

exchange off the f-pawn, the rook might still be able

to move to the third rank on the f-file to shift over

for attack. But pushing the f-pawn early can have

the drawback of exposing your king to pesky queen

checks along the weakened K1-KR4 diagonal.

 

Rx

1. Don't move the f-pawn without careful consider-

ation.

2. If uncastled, can you move it and survive a queen

check at your KR4?

3. Can the enemy queen then shift from your KR4

to your K4 with check?

4. If castled kingside, will moving the f-pawn expose

you to checks along your QR7-KN1 diagonal?

5. Especially watch out for forking queen checks.

6. Never play a double-edged move without consid-

ering how it could falter.

7. Before playing it, give it one final look.

Pandolfini, Bruce. 1995. The Chess Doctor. New York: Simon & Schuster.

It wasn't serious as I am rated 2100 ELO but I want to thank you so much for sharing this material.

Altho Pandolfini seemed like just a crazy patzer  at first his approach seems now nice.

I know this is a basic approach tho and I already knew all of this info, but do you know more advanced pandolfini's books? What about his endgame book (or books I am not sure about it)?

DonaldoTrump
Darksaiint wrote:

You got lessons from Magnus???

Yes I did.

I gave him 10 days on one of my hotels for 1 hour of class.

Sqod
DonaldoTrump wrote:

Altho Pandolfini seemed like just a crazy patzer  at first his approach seems now nice.

I know this is a basic approach tho and I already knew all of this info, but do you know more advanced pandolfini's books? What about his endgame book (or books I am not sure about it)?

I'd say that Pandolfini is one of my favorite authors. One thing I especially like about him is one particular detail: he uses descriptive notation to convey a concept when descriptive notation is the most sensible way to describe that concept, instead of listing all 2-4 (or more) possibilities in an attempt to cater to the general mono-notational audience. He's the only author I've seen do that.

I'm currently going through his book "Pandolfini's Endgame Course" and I like that, too. I'd prefer he be more thorough, analytical, and organized in his books, like using cross-references, formal definitions (many of his definitions are flawed or contradictory), diagrams and more definitions, though. Then he'd be excellent.