Is It Possible To Cross 2200 barrier without coach??

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I mean Wow, I Am Fide 1875 And had never a chess coach, so i am wondering if i could cross this 2200 barrier without any coach assistance !! 

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Depends on your age. If you're above 20, it's rather unlikely.

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Mishra_Sanjeev wrote:

I mean Wow, I Am Fide 1875 And had never a chess coach, so i am wondering if i could cross this 2200 barrier without any coach assistance !! 

A friend of mine and former coach, who is 41 now, peaked last year at 2225 FIDE. He started when he was 21, and had no coach until he was 38, but he has been involved in chess ever since. In fact, he is a professional.

He was 2175 and with the help of a GM he hired 3 years ago he went to 2225 and made 4th in a prestigious open with 5 GMs and 3 IMs. Nowadays he is back to his fomer rating :(

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There's no guarantee you'll get it people come on this forum every single day who say their 1700 or 1550 their going to do this and that and become 2250-2400 players at the snap of a finger 9 out of 10 of them calm down fast when they find out the enormous amount of studying hard work and time a real player spends on the game.

No entitlement in the Chess world nothing is given to you free and respect is earned.

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I did it and never had a coach in my life. [did not get credit for it but did it.]  Of course this was decades ago when there were no coaches, no internet, no chess engines, no tactics trainer, not much of anything.

Since you have all of these "helps" I would think you do not need a coach.

[nice to have one however]

 

However, even with all of these wonderful "helps" you still need a natural talent for the game to reach 2200 or higher.

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Alec92 wrote:

There's no guarantee you'll get it people come on this forum every single day who say their 1700 or 1550 their going to do this and that and become 2250-2400 players at the snap of a finger 9 out of 10 of them calm down fast when they find out the enormous amount of studying hard work and time a real player spends on the game.

No entitlement in the Chess world nothing is given to you free and respect is earned.

Even without a coach it's expensive putting in the required effort for improvement.  Just endgame books alone will set you back over $100.  On top of those you need to learn positional imbalances, strategy, and sub-categories in those such as a book dedicated to isolated d-pawns or pawn structure in general.  Then calculation books (not just combinations and tactics, though those are certainly covered, but also calculating accurate defenses and transitioning into favorable endgames) such as Dvoretsky's School of Chess Excellence 2: Tactical Play and later on Aagard's GM Prep: Calculation. 

Thought process books such as Heisman's Improving Chess Thinker, Think Like a Grandmaster, Chess for Zebras, and Inside the Chess Mind are also necessary since coaches frequently say that thought process is more important than knowledge. 

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was it possible to fly to the moon? -well, clearly no objectively considered and as a matter of fact Apollo only happened in the fantasy. US managed to make the whole world just believe it.

It's the same with chess

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I am currently 2100 + fide and have never had a coach. A goal/expectation is for me to get to 2200 in the next year. I actually think i am probably worth that rating or close to it already and just need to play more fide games(I might be deluded!)

In the last month I have thought about getting lessons but I am not sure of the value I will get from them. It will of course speed up my improvement and will probably get a few to help me achieve my goal as it can only help.

In my opinion the key to chess improvement is

1: Interest in the game 

2: Play as much as possible and analyse your games constructively - do not accept a computer lines as winning if you do not understand how to win the game.

3:Play as much as possible against strong players either online or in a club. A player intrested in improvement in around the same level is also really helpful as you can practice lines against each other.

4. Tactics - Chess is all about tactics and players 2200 regularly make tactical mistakes

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TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:
Alec92 wrote:

There's no guarantee you'll get it people come on this forum every single day who say their 1700 or 1550 their going to do this and that and become 2250-2400 players at the snap of a finger 9 out of 10 of them calm down fast when they find out the enormous amount of studying hard work and time a real player spends on the game.

No entitlement in the Chess world nothing is given to you free and respect is earned.

Even without a coach it's expensive putting in the required effort for improvement.  Just endgame books alone will set you back over $100.  On top of those you need to learn positional imbalances, strategy, and sub-categories in those such as a book dedicated to isolated d-pawns or pawn structure in general.  Then calculation books (not just combinations and tactics, though those are certainly covered, but also calculating accurate defenses and transitioning into favorable endgames) such as Dvoretsky's School of Chess Excellence 2: Tactical Play and later on Aagard's GM Prep: Calculation. 

Thought process books such as Heisman's Improving Chess Thinker, Think Like a Grandmaster, Chess for Zebras, and Inside the Chess Mind are also necessary since coaches frequently say that thought process is more important than knowledge. 

You always seem to recommmend a plethora of books as a necessity.

I'm betting you can get to 2000+ or perhaps 2200+ without any books.
There's a lot of material on the internet, also analyzing with good players (and chess engines) could probably take you quite far.

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I met a coach that was self-taught, he got to IM with a 2425 rating.

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I only started improving once I gave up the idea of learning chess from books. I occasionally do tactics online, I review a master game here and there, and I usually check my own games with an engine (after they are played, of course). Also I learn a bit from watching instructional videos.

 

Books may work for some, but there are other options these days.

I'm so glad... because I find chess books to be just painful.

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yes

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Rumo75 wrote:

Depends on your age. If you're above 20, it's rather unlikely.

nah am just 17 as yet :)

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Dogenstein wrote:

Ive got a Question, if someone is 2000 + rating on chess . com, can he say that he is a 2000+ chess player in real life? for you does online rating really mean anything ?

chess.com rating is boosted around 100-200 points normally. Sometimes it is under by 50-100 points too.

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Komodo, no disrespect/ how did u make Fide master without being over 2200?

the answer being depending on age and talent you can break 2000 on your own 

without coaching, but people usually need training to get past that. Prodigies, however are an exception to this rule.

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Dogenstein wrote:

Ive made it to 2000 Points in 3 Accounts and i havent had a coach in my life. i Feel like to get to 2100 + is just a matter of not getting tilted, recognizing your errors every match, knowing every mate pattern and taking advantage of the clock. 

Good points. Though, I believe the OP is talking about 2200 FIDE (Candidate Master).

And yes, it's definitely possible to reach CM without coaching. Though the odds of reaching it (and the speed of reaching it) would most certainly improve with a quality coach.