Is Kasparov a simul chicken?

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raul72
jhbchess wrote:

Kasparov is a businessman and I suspect that anything is negotiable for the right price. Want a simul with over 2000 rating allowed? The price goes up.

I read his general restriction on simuls and in the info on his/his agent's website is boilerplate. It's an upfront disclosure to the masses of media relations and PR folks who are looking for info to book him at events.


 What do you think is more important to Kasparov---a few more dollars for simuls or the fact he could tell his grandchildren about his fabulous won and lost record in simuls (which he acquired by limiting players to elo 1999 or below.)

There was one reason and one reason only for this rule---improving his stats!

waffllemaster

800 point difference of course he can win in a certain time frame, even if they refuse to resign, because he will only need a fraction of a second to keep making moves.  With stronger players, they will resign promptly, but he will have to spend more time per move.

I've never played a simul.  How does it work when you're the last board?  Can you take as much time as you want to move?

goldendog
waffllemaster wrote:

I've never played a simul.  How does it work when you're the last board?  Can you take as much time as you want to move?


I know sometimes they put a clock down on the last game.

fyy0r

It's funny you ask that, OP.  Nigel Short has actually mentioned it at a few different times, and he's talked to Kasparov during one of his simuls asking that same question.  Lemme see if I can find it.

 

Ah here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfWuQiIo6dw

fast forward to 5:05

mattattack99
Reb wrote:
gbidari wrote:

I know he's not "in form" but he would still be a heavy favorite to beat a 2000 player in a simul. He'd even be a big favorite over a 2200 player. Perhaps he's not afraid but just wants his check and to get the hell out of there as soon as possible. Not entirely admirable either. I think he's in form enough. Most of us believe he still has got what it takes to kick Anand's butt!


 Given that Kaspy lost to Kramnik and then Anand beat Kramnik I dont see why you would think Kaspy could still kick Anand ?  The evidence says otherwise...


In their only head to head match, Kasparov beat Anand.

mattattack99
gbidari wrote:

NM Reb,

A lot of people, including myself saw the Kramnik match as a joke. It was a half-hearted effort on Kasparov's part by pretty much just handing the title over to his student. It was the only time I saw Kasparov play without fire in his eyes. His body language was apathetic too. By the way, he still has that "fire" in his eyes in simuls!


Kasparov did have a lot of distractions. First of all, for his title defense Kasparov had an exhausting search to find a sponsor. He couldn't get a sponsor for Anand or Shirov, but finally got one for a Kramnik match. Shirov beat Kramnik in a match though, so he was upset about not being chosen. Shirov apparently didn't understand that with no money, there is no match so he decided to sue Kasparov. That's right, Alexei Shirov filed a lawsuit in a Spanish court. So there is another distraction. And of course after the match Kramnik wouldn't allow a rematch, knowing once Kasparov analyzed the Berlin Wall he would no longer have the preparation advantage. Once Kasparov gave up trying to challenge Kramnik, he attempted to challenge for the FIDE version, but without success, no thanks to Ponomariov and Kasimdzhanov, who made it difficult for him.

fabelhaft
raul72 wrote:

I would say compared to Fischer---he was a simul chicken.


Compared to Kasparov Fischer was a title match chicken :) But Kasparov did play many simuls against top opposition for a long time, if he is a simul chicken today it is after having been nothing of the kind for decades. In 2001 he played an all-GM all-2500+ Czech team in a simul and won 5.5-2.5. In 1998 he had beaten the Israeli team (including Sutovsky and Smirin) 7-1.

"Kasparov put a new twist on simultaneous exhibitions by playing a series of clock simuls over the years against national teams and other strong groups of players around the world, playing 4 or more masters to grandmasters simultaneously. Other world champions have given clock simuls (...) but Kasparov seems to have played more and against stronger opposition than other WCs. Here are some of the games where the beast of Baku pounded the best of the rest."

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1016404

raul72
fabelhaft wrote:
raul72 wrote:

I would say compared to Fischer---he was a simul chicken.


Compared to Kasparov Fischer was a title match chicken :) But Kasparov did play many simuls against top opposition for a long time, if he is a simul chicken today it is after having been nothing of the kind for decades. In 2001 he played an all-GM all-2500+ Czech team in a simul and won 5.5-2.5. In 1998 he had beaten the Israeli team (including Sutovsky and Smirin) 7-1.

"Kasparov put a new twist on simultaneous exhibitions by playing a series of clock simuls over the years against national teams and other strong groups of players around the world, playing 4 or more masters to grandmasters simultaneously. Other world champions have given clock simuls (...) but Kasparov seems to have played more and against stronger opposition than other WCs. Here are some of the games where the beast of Baku pounded the best of the rest."

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1016404


 When was the last time he played a legitimate simul. He packs his simuls with 1600, 1700, 1800, 1900 players. Fabelhaft even you might have a decent score against such opposition. He routinely goes 26-0, 33-0, 25-0 against such players. The guy is a killer!  I'll bet when he sees a bunch of kids sitting around the simul table with elo averages of 1500---his mouth starts droolingTongue out 

 When he loses at one of his simuls (which is seldom) he has one of his assistants check out the kid to make sure he is under 2000.  What a guy!!!Wink

Three cheers for the mighty Kasparov---hip hip hooray, hip hip hooray...

fabelhaft

By the way, when Kasparov won (playing black!) in simul games against Sutovsky and Smirin they were top 100 players, and Movsesian must have been even stronger than them when Kasparov won against him in another simul a few years later. But it's almost ten years since he played simuls against such opposition, and more than six years since he retired. I can't say I care about his simuls against below 2000 opponents, but he played serious chess for 30 years and has done enough.

Bugnotaur
Anyone with the hots to see Kasparov play a simul of over 2000 players should just ask his agent how much $ and stake the cash for a nice dinner and simul. I would guess that $10k per board would do it, up to ten boards or something, plus his othdr disclosed fees.
mattattack99

Kasparov has won the World Championship, defended it many times, founded a chess organization, and played simuls against strong players. What more does he need to prove? If he wants to play simuls against <2000 players, let him! He earned it.

WestofHollywood
raul72 wrote:
fabelhaft wrote:
raul72 wrote:

I would say compared to Fischer---he was a simul chicken.


Compared to Kasparov Fischer was a title match chicken :) But Kasparov did play many simuls against top opposition for a long time, if he is a simul chicken today it is after having been nothing of the kind for decades. In 2001 he played an all-GM all-2500+ Czech team in a simul and won 5.5-2.5. In 1998 he had beaten the Israeli team (including Sutovsky and Smirin) 7-1.

"Kasparov put a new twist on simultaneous exhibitions by playing a series of clock simuls over the years against national teams and other strong groups of players around the world, playing 4 or more masters to grandmasters simultaneously. Other world champions have given clock simuls (...) but Kasparov seems to have played more and against stronger opposition than other WCs. Here are some of the games where the beast of Baku pounded the best of the rest."

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1016404


 When was the last time he played a legitimate simul. He packs his simuls with 1600, 1700, 1800, 1900 players. Fabelhaft even you might have a decent score against such opposition. He routinely goes 26-0, 33-0, 25-0 against such players. The guy is a killer!  I'll bet when he sees a bunch of kids sitting around the simul table with elo averages of 1500---his mouth starts drooling 

 When he loses at one of his simuls (which is seldom) he has one of his assistants check out the kid to make sure he is under 2000.  What a guy!!!

Three cheers for the mighty Kasparov---hip hip hooray, hip hip hooray...


WestofHollywood

I met Kasparov at  Atlantic City several years ago when he was their to see his his friend Vladimir Klitchko fight. I just said it was an honor to meet him, I didn't try to waste his time trying to have a conversation with him, but his body language and tone of voice suggested I was pretty much bird sh.t to him. He's not a nice guy. But he has the right to have any kind of simuls he wants. I'm under 2000 but I would never waste my money playing him.

NimzoRoy
Reb wrote:
gbidari wrote:

I know he's not "in form" but he would still be a heavy favorite to beat a 2000 player in a simul. He'd even be a big favorite over a 2200 player. Perhaps he's not afraid but just wants his check and to get the hell out of there as soon as possible. Not entirely admirable either. I think he's in form enough. Most of us believe he still has got what it takes to kick Anand's butt!


 Given that Kaspy lost to Kramnik and then Anand beat Kramnik I dont see why you would think Kaspy could still kick Anand ?  The evidence says otherwise...


In real life (or at least real chess life) the "evidence" doesn't always mathematically prove that if A>B and B>C, then A>C. So the fact that Anand beat Kramnik (the same chicken who refused to give Kasparov a rematch) doesn't convince me that Kasparov was incapable of beating Anand (again).

lupe007
have you not heard of the sayin..'champions are afraid of losing..everybody else is afraid of wining'..
CoachConradAllison
uhohspaghettio wrote:

I have repeatedly stated and tried to emphasize the difference between GMs and ordinary players and the difference between large simuls with loads of players, blind and ordinary play.

I have been mocked and had trollish arguments and comments thrown my way without justification, because idiots here think that GMs are Gods.

Go on and live in your fantasy retarded bullshit world. I tried to talk about this before.


From the guy who said a 1200 could beat Topalov if he had 6 hours a move to Topalov's 3 minutes. Also claimed he could beat Carlsen at bullet.

CoachConradAllison

But you didn't say that, you said three minutes per move.

WestofHollywood

An unassisted by computer or other humans 1200 could have infinity a move vs. Topalov with a total of 3 minutes, and still lose 99.99% of the time.

CoachConradAllison

Either way, it is still nonsense. Topalov would win.

TheOldReb
uhohspaghettio wrote:
cofail wrote:

But you didn't say that, you said three minutes per move.


I did not. It's the blind lies that hurt me about this place.


Where is the relevant post that says this ?  I think the issue is settled easily by finding the relevant post ?