the only luck in chess is either you get black or white
Also the moves that might be played. Not all moves are the result of skill alone.
Not been seen since 24th Dec if memory serves me right. Good holiday???
Memory serves you very well. Yes, we had a great holiday, thank you. Did a little vacationing too. And some work.
Its mainly skill, and what you move for the first move+the color
There is no luck in chess. It is about playing the right moves and what you think is best.
Its mainly skill, and what you move for the first move+the color
I does not matter about the first move. It matters about how you play the pieces to get your desired effect
Yes, there is.
I had a checkmate, but it was my opponents move, so I stared hardly at another part of the chess board. He thought I would do something over there, so he moved a knight into that 3x3 square, and I checkmated.
Wow, that's deep...
Wow, that's deep...
I'd say even touching, wait gotta wipe a tear.
Wow, that's deep...
I'd say even touching, wait gotta wipe a tear.
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the only luck in chess is either you get black or white
Also the moves that might be played. Not all moves are the result of skill alone.
Not been seen since 24th Dec if memory serves me right. Good holiday???
Memory serves you very well. Yes, we had a great holiday, thank you. Did a little vacationing too. And some work.
Thought you might have swayed slightly back towards politicking, since things seem so topsy turvey and possibly up for grabs.
Well that too. Our former sherriff is running for chair of our county commission. He very much wanted us to attend a fundraiser for him. He's quite liberal, but even still wanted us sitting at the front table. It was educational seeing how "the other side" operates.
Once chess gets solved, can we declare there is no luck in chess?
And speaking about luck, is there any chance this thread will die out?
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There's definitely a lot of luck in chess.
Including because there's a lot of negation of skill ...
like coaches and chess literature getting chess students to think and play robotically in the openings.
The lower the skill, the greater the luck element in the game; the greater the skill, the better the luck.
I like that.
The lower the skill, the greater the luck element in the game; the greater the skill, the better the luck.
I like that.
Yes - Ziryab's post right on point.
And - both determinism and fatalism are both overrated.
Technically neither is needed because they're both unrealistic.
But people have probably always been aware of them - whatever they called them.
And they constantly happen.
And are constantly countered ...
'Don't worry' versus 'lets plan well and make that happen'
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Kasparov's final world championship game against Karpov ... where Kasparov uncharacteristically opened c4 ... and Karpov didn't play with his usual confidence and efficiency - arguably the most pivotal game of chess ever ... Karpov's final chance with that one game to reclaim the world championship.
Did Kasparov's renowned game-skill determine the result?
Or was he just lucky that Karpov 'choked' somewhat?
Many would say that Kasparov 'made his own luck'.
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Boris Becker once said 'the good player is always lucky' ... but that's an overgeneralization.
There's luck in chess and in all sports.
How should one deal with it?
But then that's getting into philosophy.
If one decides to be a determinist - the delusions of determinism will be constantly smashed.
If one decides to be a fatalist - that's just too passive.
But count on it - they're both out there.
Again returning to this old friend after reading things from another hobby of mine in running. Olympic champ Jakob Ingebrigtsen had this to say about his training and build up to Paris.
"While Jakob and his brothers are monitoring everything they do in training, he also notes that there is a certain level of luck when competing at the highest level. Ultimately, you can train your entire life to be great, but on any given day, something can change or happen that doesn't go your way.
While there is luck, the best way to increase your odds of success is to limit chance and control everything within your power. 'If we were to race 10 times, we may lose a few of those, but our goal is to ensure we are as ready as we can possibly be. It comes down to data input and being able to adjust based on what we are seeing. We are always looking for patterns and knowing what works...this makes it easier to be lucky when you have all of the information.'"
There is no luck in chess or sports. You control every move your body makes. Skill is the level of control you have over your body, or in terms of chess, its the level of control you have on the board. That means skill is the decisive factor behind every human made move and it can't be luck.
There is no luck in chess or sports. You control every move your body makes. Skill is the level of control you have over your body, or in terms of chess, its the level of control you have on the board. That means skill is the decisive factor behind every human made move and it can't be luck.
This is mostly true, but sometimes, mistakes happen, like you lose control of a ball, or do a mouse slip online, but sometimes, very rarely, these things are actually beneficial.
Of course there's luck in sports.
Including when your opponent doesn't play as well as he might.
Athletes don't control eveything their muscles do because muscles tire.
If they did they could be top gymnasts in addition to their special sports.
But top gymnasts aren't perfect either.
Like in chess - athletic sports are chalk full of imperfection.
There's so many ways to crush the delusion there's no luck in sports.
Like at a critical point in a tennis match the wind takes the ball and reverses the result of a critical break point.
People know there's luck in almost everything.
Corpses in cemeteries are not subject to luck.
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Usually the issue is not whether there's luck in sports - but how much.
Like in poker. There's a big big luck issue.
But its not all luck. There's a lot of skill too.
Of course there's luck in sports.
Including when your opponent doesn't play as well as he might.
Athletes don't control eveything their muscles do because muscles tire.
If they did they could be top gymnasts in addition to their special sports.
But top gymnasts aren't perfect either.
Like in chess - athletic sports are chalk full of imperfection.
There's so many ways to crush the delusion there's no luck in sports.
Like at a critical point in a tennis match the wind takes the ball and reverses the result of a critical break point.
People know there's luck in almost everything.
Corpses in cemeteries are not subject to luck.
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Usually the issue is not whether there's luck in sports - but how much.
Like in poker. There's a big big luck issue.
But its not all luck. There's a lot of skill too.
Your opponent doesn't always play as well as they might because skill is a range, not a spot. None of that is down to luck.
Muscles tire depending on how effectively you use them and how well you trained them. Less trained guy tires quicker.
Wind is an external force that acts as a random variant, that is luck yes. Anything about human performance is never down to luck.
There's luck in chess just like there's luck in other sports.
You're in the final round of a tournament - (no not some big world class event)
You're contending for top spot. A #1 finish.
Your opponent just happens to play an opening variation you're very familiar with and are very prepared for - instead of one you're not.
You win. Instead of him.
Whew! Good thing he didn't play that other thing!
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Believing there's no luck can lead to other problems too.
Like arrogance and conceit on the one hand
or despair and self-defeat on the other.
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Much much better is to admit there's luck but take the view you don't want to depend on good luck and if there's bad luck you'll have to accept that at the time and then go ahead and put that aside and concentrate on what you've set out to do.
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