Is there such thing as "luck" in chess? - Chess Forums - Page 28

llama51

Apr 18, 2022

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#541

technical_knockout wrote:

1. animals.

2. two of each.

3. John 1: 32-34 clearly states that John the Baptist baptized Jesus.

Meh, at this point I can't tell if you're trolling.

technical_knockout

Apr 18, 2022

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#542

llama51 wrote:

technical_knockout wrote:

the religious leaders of the Jews rejected Jesus as the promised Messiah & sought his death lol... their hostile witnessing strengthens the bible's claims.

You... you realize that when Jesus was alive he was a Jew right? Christianity didn't exist until after Jesus died. Some of the Jews believed Jesus was the messiah and others didn't. The original Christians started out as Jews... it's not hard to understand.

besides an ad hominem attack implying that i lack understanding, all you've said here is... sorry, what's your point exactly?

Ziryab

Apr 18, 2022

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#543

technical_knockout wrote:

btickler wrote:

llama51 wrote:

technical_knockout wrote:

Romans 1:20

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

yeah, you tell me there's no God & i'll ask you where the universe came from;

it takes far more 'faith' to believe that nothing miraculously exploded into a harmonious universe of mathematical laws than it does to believe in an eternal, omniscient, omnipotent & benevolent Creator.

You have it backwards. If Occam's razor disfavors anything, it's the type of God that combines omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence, etc. It's (literally) infinitely more reasonable to assume almost anything else.

I should also point out that Romans was written by someone who never even met Jesus. They had to come up with a story about a beam of light and a horse just to try to make him seem legit ...so, not the greatest source.

the entire bible was authored by God over the course of 1600+ years, as is apparent to me from its one voice & numerous (fulfilled) prophecies.

if a doctor has a medical assistant dictate for him, does that make her the author of his words? 🤔

Saul of Tarsus, perhaps early Christianity's biggest persecutor, became its biggest supporter (Paul) after MEETING JESUS on the road btw. 😜

notice how the emojis help strengthen my position btickler? 😆

no, ziryab, not willie mays: don't be daft or dishonest... this was started from YOU saying 'try telling a religious person there is no God' on EASTER, as if they won't listen to reason:

that's the day us Christians remember the Creator's resurrection after Lucifer had him crucified in the flesh on Earth.

red pjs those attributes are necessary, along with omnipresence for the Creator of the universe, with its vast sea of stars... btw he 'knows their number & calls them all by name':

quite the 'flying spaghetti monster', huh? 😉

You are mixing up your quotes. I did not write what you credit to me. Nor does your holy book contain the things that you learned from Dante Alighieri.

technical_knockout

Apr 18, 2022

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#544

llama51 wrote:

technical_knockout wrote:

1. animals.

2. two of each.

3. John 1: 32-34 clearly states that John the Baptist baptized Jesus.

Meh, at this point I can't tell if you're trolling.

ad hominem attack.

Ziryab

Apr 18, 2022

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#545

technical_knockout wrote:

the religious leaders of the Jews rejected Jesus as the promised Messiah & sought his death lol... their hostile witnessing strengthens the bible's claims.

the Creator of the universe is perfectly capable of delivering & preserving his message to humanity intact.

the KJV or HOLY Bible is a faithful translation into English from the original Hebrew & Greek:

it's only natural that Satan would attack God's word with inaccurate & corrupted translations like the NIV or ESB (an important verse in Acts is removed entirely from even the footnotes, for example).

1. examples? lol...

2. real Christians don't murder & God naturally authored his books in the language of the locations where they were penned.

3. i wasn't raised in a church, i HAVE read the bible & no, rather, secular humanism's religion of evolution is exactly what you'd expect a man-made religion to look like.

maybe you should decide to know exactly WHY you hate the bible & actually READ it before DISCUSSING it, like I DID.

The NIV is simply bad writing, translated by a group of men who hated poetry. But claims that the KJV is superior is hogwash.

llama51

Apr 18, 2022

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#546

technical_knockout wrote:

llama51 wrote:

technical_knockout wrote:

1. animals.

2. two of each.

3. John 1: 32-34 clearly states that John the Baptist baptized Jesus.

Meh, at this point I can't tell if you're trolling.

ad hominem attack.

I honestly can't tell, and I didn't use it as an argument... so that's not an ad hominem attack.

Now if I said you're either acting like an idiot or it's not an act... that'd be a little closer.

technical_knockout

Apr 18, 2022

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#547

You are mixing up your quotes. I did not write what you credit to me. Nor does your holy book contain the things that you learned from Dante Alighieri.

apologies ziryab, it was in fact btickler:

you responded while quoting it; i tried to look it up at the time to properly credit the source but was busy with family & it was hard to find a needle in a haystack sifting through all the luck/skill arguments.

meant to go back & check but got busy & forgot to:

that being said, what exactly are you saying i misquoted? Christ's comments before his crucifixion clearly state that Satan is about to be judged. 🙂

llama51

Apr 18, 2022

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#548

llama51

Apr 18, 2022

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#549

The women at Jesus' tomb:

Mark 16:8
They told no one.

Luke 24:9
They told everyone.

Genesis 7:2
Noah instructed to take 7 of the clean animals (not just a pair)

John 1: 32-34
In this verse Jesus was not baptized by John, but in the other 3 gospels he was.

technical_knockout

Apr 18, 2022

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#550

The NIV is simply bad writing, translated by a group of men who hated poetry. But claims that the KJV is superior is hogwash.

even if the difference is that verses are NOT relegated to footnotes, or eliminated entirely? you sure about that?

llama51

Apr 18, 2022

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#551

There are also different versions of the 10 commandments.

Also the 10 commandments you see everywhere are not called the 10 commandments in the Bible. The rules that the Bible calls the 10 commandments are very different.

exodus 34:28
Identifies that the verses before this were the 10 commandments... rules such as thou shalt not boil a baby goat in its mother's milk

technical_knockout

Apr 18, 2022

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#552

i covered this before as you well know.

llama51

Apr 18, 2022

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#553

technical_knockout wrote:

i covered this before as you well know.

Oh ok. Thanks for letting me know you've been trolling.

Also I'm glad for your sake you're not some kid raised by fundamentalists.

DiogenesDue

Apr 18, 2022

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#554

technical_knockout wrote:

[snip]

Saul of Tarsus, perhaps early Christianity's biggest persecutor, became its biggest supporter (Paul) after MEETING JESUS on the road btw. 😜

[snip]

Not going to foster a religious debate...but this is inaccurate. Saul/Paul never met Jesus. He reportedly saw a vision/hallucination of Jesus well after death, though.

DiogenesDue

Apr 18, 2022

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#555

CooloutAC wrote:

no most of the computer industry is full of people with inferiority complexes that overcomplicate things. When they say "elegant" programming I just think bloated job security. They definitely don't mean simple and practical lmao.

Spoken like a tech support rep with a chip on his shoulder ...

I should point out that pretty much everything you have professed that you value or show an affinity for over time here is something you should be grateful to developers for creating. The internet, video games, online chess, streaming content, YouTube, Twitch TV, avatars/gifs...

P.S. I know you want to appear more erudite, but the avatar similarity is just not very original. I mean, you're even using the same tilt of the board...

technical_knockout

Apr 18, 2022

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#556

btickler wrote:

technical_knockout wrote:

[snip]

Saul of Tarsus, perhaps early Christianity's biggest persecutor, became its biggest supporter (Paul) after MEETING JESUS on the road btw. 😜

[snip]

Not going to foster a religious debate...but this is inaccurate. Saul/Paul never met Jesus. He reportedly saw a vision/hallucination of Jesus well after death, though.

no, he saw Jesus after his resurrection from the dead:

obviously he was convinced of this, as the comparison of his life before & after this event attests.

technical_knockout

Apr 18, 2022

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#557

llama51 wrote:

technical_knockout wrote:

i covered this before as you well know.

Oh ok. Thanks for letting me know you've been trolling.

Also I'm glad for your sake you're not some kid raised by fundamentalists.

i'm not a kid & why DO you repeatedly close your account & open a new one? covering your trolling tracks?

i can easily find where i refuted your 10 commandments 'argument' in the other thread if you want? 🙂

mpaetz

Apr 18, 2022

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#558

CooloutAC wrote:

You can call that unlucky although it seems it was lack of due diligence on the part of the player. Either way you can't say its part of chess since its not part of the game mechanic or gameplay.

Do you not believe that winning or losing games is part of chess? Have you ever seen two players stop their game because they just found the arrangement of the pieces so aesthetically pleasing that they didn't want to spoil the beauty by moving any pieces? Obviously not. Under your own conception of the "sporting" nature of the game winning or losing is an essential part of chess. Sometimes winning or losing is determined by factors other than the moves of the pieces on the board. Sometimes what determines winning or losing IS the "slipping on a banana peel" you complain about. That's luck playing a part in chess.

DiogenesDue

Apr 18, 2022

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#559

technical_knockout wrote:

no, he saw Jesus after his resurrection from the dead:

obviously he was convinced of this, as the comparison of his life before & after this event attests.

As I said...a vision/hallucination, if it is even a real story and was not fabricated to give Saul/Paul some credibility, not being an apostle and all...

I believe this is where we reach an impasse . Blind faith does not allow for Occam's Razor to be applied.

mpaetz

Apr 18, 2022

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#560

You are correct. Luck, or fate, or the capricious nature of the immortal gods--call it what you will--can and does affect all kinds of human endeavors, chess included. Remember that skill is involved in other games, it is not specific to chess. Does this lead us to believe there is no skill involved in chess? Chess is mostly based on skill but a bit of luck shows up now and then whether we like it or not