Is this strategy really unbeatable?

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BigChessMaster wrote:

For those who asked me to play against some people online, I'm sry but I can't do that. Every time I try to start a game, I get some error messages. My PC is quite old and messed up so I never play online, only regular chess. And those people I played definitely weren't checkers masters

Post a few of your games. You can't expect us to make sensible comments on a strategy that we haven't seen.

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All humans are beatable, but stupidity isn't.

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this is really stupid

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Greetings chess players; I am from the pool world (as in billiards), I may be some what responsible for this guy (if it's the same guy). The guy who wrote (or helped write this)

http://issuu.com/poolkillers81/docs/a_beginner_s_guide_to_8_ball_pool

I tried to give this example by saying this to him:

 

Let's say hypothetically that someone Wanted to play ___ because when they saw/experienced it in some way that was positive and so in order to make it more easy to understand and more fun for the laymen and more approachable for the beginner did this:

Lets say it was chess so they renamed the pieces from:

Pawn to Frontmen pieces

Bishop to Diagonal pieces

Knight to L pieces

Rook to VOH pieces (vertical or horizontal)

Queen to Omni piece

King to Target piece

Then came up with a whole strategy & tactics that worked when playing with the locals and with their friends like "All out assault on the board with all the frontmen first" and called it (AOAOTBWATFMF) and "Roving + destroying omni piece" and called it (DDOP). Then wrote a guide with this in it and further changes to the rules like dispensing with that "stupid castling rule" and also ignoring that "impassment silliness"

Lets say it was golf and they said ok why do we call it a "stroke" lets call it a "swing" and why does the score go backwards lets make it go forwards like every other game; so what's this "birdie", "bogey", "par", "eagle" and all those other things that are hard to remember lets just call them + or - 1,2,3 and so on, while we are at it this "out of bounds" thing needs to go; too complicated who cares where the ball goes if it didn't go in the hole you just keep counting till it does. And then came up with a manual explaining how to run at the ball and give it a whack to get it farther on the drive like happy Gilmore.

Lets say it was Texas holdem poker or some other game of cards and instead of calling the cards the "flop" and "river" and such because that's confusing lets call them the 1st card(s) and the last cards, and that "check" stuff well who needs that bet or not that's all; and well why do we call them "low" and "face" cards lets call them "picture" and "number" cards. And then came up with a manual on how to play this way.

Then this person went onto a website devoted to chess, poker or golf and asked "well what do you guys think?" Well I will tell you; they would call that person an absolute nut case, be angry and hostile with them they would say "go learn how to play____!" you are an idiot.

It isn't that pool doesn't work the way you think it does; it is life that doesn't work this way. You don't know or care where the cue ball is going on most shots, that is what 99% of the whole game is about; until you do you will not break and run but 1 in more than 100 tables.

Here is how pool is played in its most basic form save for defensive shots, you sink an object ball and position the cue ball so that the next shot is easy (a high % shot), you do the same for all subsequent shots until you win. There isn't "another" way to play; this is true of all games of pool at any level and by any rules. I hope you understand; I am trying to help you, abandon this "idea" of yours that pool works "differently" than every other thing in life because it doesn't it works exactly the same way as everything else.

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JJFSTAR wrote:

Greetings chess players; I am from the pool world (as in billiards),

Me too :)

Since we are already going offtopic I'd like to post my trickshot video :)

And if you want to see the true masters at work: the 276 best pool and biliardtrickshots on youtube. A 45 mins compilation with the best of the best.

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Winnersp vs Big Chess Master! Pawn wall vs. Charts! Gawddamn what an idea... and we get the boxing spammer to promote it.

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Why are over half of the people calling this a troll attempt? Someone's new, trying to share some knowledge, and I see the most active forum posters go on calling this nonsense. Agreed, there might have been hundreds of such Pawn Wall threads, but there's always a limit of being sarcastic.

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BigChessMaster wrote:

Guys this is my first post so I can call myself a forum newbie  But I'm sure not newbie when it comes to the game. I've been playing for over 20 years now and I developed a few excellent strategies that make winning against almost anyone ridiculously easy.

I'd like to discuss one of these strategies now. I call it "The Pawn Wall". You basically move the pawns into a V formation so they all cover each other, plus the rooks, the king and the queen offer direct protection to certain pawns. Then you attack your opponent by moving the line forward. As you create space between your pawns and the other pieces, you move the knights and the king forward, as well as the bishops if necessary. Unless the opponent manages to do something that forces you to modify your strategy, you should leave your other pieces in place.

As the pawn wall creates a death trap for your opponents, he's forced to attack the pawns. When you start to lose the pawns, you engage the opponent's pieces with the knights and the king, while performing hit-and-run attacks with the rest of your pieces. You may take some losses, just watch out for the king. Once you clear the board of most opponent's pieces, you swarm him/her with your remaining forces until they have nowhere to go.

I mostly play against guys with at least 10 years of experience, often more, and my win ratio with this strategy is around 95%. I'd like to know if anyone else uses something similar and if there's any effective defense against it. I don't wanna be taken by surprise  Looks like you won't have an easy task as over a dozen chess experts I know couldn't do much against the mighty Pawn Wall!

"...Looks like you won't have an easy task as over a dozen chess experts I know couldn't do much against the mighty Pawn Wall!..."

Let me begin by writing:  I would agree with you, if you were right.

Being more specific, I noticed that you did not mention pawn strucutre directly.  You do make reference to "The Pawn Wall" and advancing it.  As I am sure you are aware both participants in a chess get one move per turn starting with White.  And that they alternate turns.   A medium strong player USCF 1700+ is aware of pawn structure and the fact that it is the terrain (hills, moountains and valleys) of the battlefield.  And is keenly aware that any plan(s) of attack must conform to the pawn structure or it is doomed to failure.

All of the above was to introduce the idea that while you are busy building building your V shaped pawn wall;  your strong opponent will be busy gaining control of the center and doing his best with every move to achieve a pawn structure that will favor him in the middle game.  If that means thwarting your attempts at establishing the V-shaped pawn wall at every move, then that is what he will do.  The main point is that from move one pawn, moves designed to gain control of the center and establishing a pawn structure are inextricably intertwined.  In other words, they are the same.  But if you single mindedly build a v-shaped wall of pawns and totally disregard gaining control of the center, there is a very good chance that your pawn wall will fail.

Many factors contribute to a principle labeled "the inefficiency of the massed pawns advance."  The first, and most important, factor is that pawns CANNOT move backwards.  Also for this very reason the principle:  Winning chess is the strategically/tactically correct advance of the pawn mass.  Needless to write that pawn moves in any game should be rigorously analyzed with great caution.  So deciding to advance one's pawns into a v-shaped wall without regard to many other factors is unwise. 

                               TO BE EDITED AND EXPANDED 

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BigChessMaster wrote:

Guys this is my first post so I can call myself a forum newbie  But I'm sure not newbie when it comes to the game. I've been playing for over 20 years now and I developed a few excellent strategies that make winning against almost anyone ridiculously easy.

I'd like to discuss one of these strategies now. I call it "The Pawn Wall". You basically move the pawns into a V formation so they all cover each other, plus the rooks, the king and the queen offer direct protection to certain pawns. Then you attack your opponent by moving the line forward. As you create space between your pawns and the other pieces, you move the knights and the king forward, as well as the bishops if necessary. Unless the opponent manages to do something that forces you to modify your strategy, you should leave your other pieces in place.

As the pawn wall creates a death trap for your opponents, he's forced to attack the pawns. When you start to lose the pawns, you engage the opponent's pieces with the knights and the king, while performing hit-and-run attacks with the rest of your pieces. You may take some losses, just watch out for the king. Once you clear the board of most opponent's pieces, you swarm him/her with your remaining forces until they have nowhere to go.

I mostly play against guys with at least 10 years of experience, often more, and my win ratio with this strategy is around 95%. I'd like to know if anyone else uses something similar and if there's any effective defense against it. I don't wanna be taken by surprise  Looks like you won't have an easy task as over a dozen chess experts I know couldn't do much against the mighty Pawn Wall!

how come your rating is 1062 if you are unbeatable?

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He seems to have played a game!

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If the pawn wall is so good why do you only have a rating of only 1062 after 20 years of playing chess?

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Nice game. I'm sure that pawns are worth MUCH more than piesces.

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frank124c wrote:

If the pawn wall is so good why do you only have a rating of only 1062 after 20 years of playing chess?

Hey, he's only played one game. It's quite silly to judge his rating from that.

 

I'm sure it'll be much lower after a few more games.

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BigChessMaster wrote:

Guys this is my first post so I can call myself a forum newbie  But I'm sure not newbie when it comes to the game. I've been playing for over 20 years now and I developed a few excellent strategies that make winning against almost anyone ridiculously easy.

I'd like to discuss one of these strategies now. I call it "The Pawn Wall". You basically move the pawns into a V formation so they all cover each other, plus the rooks, the king and the queen offer direct protection to certain pawns. Then you attack your opponent by moving the line forward. As you create space between your pawns and the other pieces, you move the knights and the king forward, as well as the bishops if necessary. Unless the opponent manages to do something that forces you to modify your strategy, you should leave your other pieces in place.

As the pawn wall creates a death trap for your opponents, he's forced to attack the pawns. When you start to lose the pawns, you engage the opponent's pieces with the knights and the king, while performing hit-and-run attacks with the rest of your pieces. You may take some losses, just watch out for the king. Once you clear the board of most opponent's pieces, you swarm him/her with your remaining forces until they have nowhere to go.

I mostly play against guys with at least 10 years of experience, often more, and my win ratio with this strategy is around 95%. I'd like to know if anyone else uses something similar and if there's any effective defense against it. I don't wanna be taken by surprise  Looks like you won't have an easy task as over a dozen chess experts I know couldn't do much against the mighty Pawn Wall!

i can't believe i haven't ever thought of that oh wait yes i can because that is extremly flawed

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This reminds me of #13 on this

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/fun-with-chess/5000-signs-you-dont-know-enough-about-chess?page=1

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The game does

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A twenty year journey culminating in... that game?