Isn't it rude to offer a draw when you are losing?

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Pulpofeira

@NM Reb: I never saw the "offer" button becoming "claim". You simply must know if the repetition happened and then offer the draw, if you are correct then it's automatically a draw (like in OTB). That's why I asked this kid to post his game, I suspect it wasn't a system failure.

TurboFish
Reb wrote:

Well , in otb chess its against the rules and you can call the TD over and have him stop it . In online its distracting and if you respond in any way it costs you time on the clock .  It would be easy for any competent programmer to write code to put a stop to this particular annoyance if they so desired . Obviously they don't so desire . 

Yes, I agree that if it got out of hand, you could fetch the TD.  But I've never met an annoying opponent that I couldn't ignore by using earplugs and a baseball cap pulled low (I would rather be friendly if they behave).  But I don't understand how it's an issue online.  You don't have to respond at all to draw offers on chess.com, just make your next move.  And of course if the opponent tries to distract you by chatting, mute the chat.

rudscoe

no

SmyslovFan

The draw offer button doesn't change appearance, but it does change function when a draw (3-fold repetition, 50-move draw) is on the board.

SmyslovFan

In the early days of the internet a person could offer draws on every move, spending half a second. The opponent would have to decline the draw offer before moving, thus losing several seconds. If you didn't accept the draw, you would lose on time!

At least that's been fixed. But yes, repeated draw offers is against the laws of chess for a very good reason.

AutisticCath

I had the white pieces.

As to NM Reb's question--there seems to be only the one draw button on chess.com and this was my first game on chess.com that resulted in repeat positions. Normally, if I am going to make a repeat position or I know that there are repeat positions that are going to happen or one side is going to lose, I offer a draw to my opponent because I really don't like playing out the repetitions. It seems rather nonsensical to do so. I once had a game on here in which I offered a draw seeing that I had intention to carry out repeated positions or my opponent would beat me, he declined, I played out the repeat positions, and then enforced the draw. He called me a coward and so I have him in my blocked users list now as a result.

richb8888

Drama queens-have had no problem in 3 day on line chess.

The_Young_Nite
Reb wrote:

Well , in otb chess its against the rules and you can call the TD over and have him stop it . In online its distracting and if you respond in any way it costs you time on the clock .  It would be easy for any competent programmer to write code to put a stop to this particular annoyance if they so desired . Obviously they don't so desire . 

All you have to do is make a move and it will automatically decline the draw.

takeoffeh

In response to Reb, since the system doesn't automatically draw games after 50 move rule or repeated position, the person wanting to claim the draw has to offer a draw. If you're mistaken and the position hasn't been repeated or the 50 moves haven't happened yet, under your system you would be unable to offer a draw when it did happen. They need a "Claim Draw" button, but I'm pretty sure there isn't one.

AutisticCath

I think in OTB rules, one can simply show the arbiter their intention to play the repeat position and claim a draw prior to even playing the repeat position as well. I think online chess may need an arbiter of some sorts. The difficulty with online chess draws.

etc2000chess

Guys! Get a hold of yourselves! 3-fold= automatic draw. newengland= system failure. 50 moves = draw. If faced with annoying draw offers, don't fricken do anything NM! Just make your move.Cool

etc2000chess
SmyslovFan wrote:

The draw offer button doesn't change appearance, but it does change function when a draw (3-fold repetition, 50-move draw) is on the board.

One does not simply "claim" a draw on chess.com.

SmyslovFan

The site doesn't need a claim draw button as long as the draw offer button functions as a draw claim button. In fact, if the draw offer button were to change to a draw claim button after 50 moves or a 3-fold repetition, it would amount to outside assistance to the player! 

In other words, the site has it right. There should be a single "Draw" button that functions as a draw offer button unless there's a draw on the board. Then it becomes a Draw Claim button. 

The one time I can see repeated draw offers being acceptable is when the players are low on time and miss the other's draw offer. Perhaps in blitz/bullet, a draw offer could stand for 2-3 moves when the clocks are under 10 seconds?

Improbable_Wobble

Who cares? lol

harterhare
Reb wrote:

I wish that in online chess they would write code that once a player offers one draw he cannot offer another one until after his opponent offers one . Like the doubling cube in backgammon ... when you offer a draw (double) that ability passes to your opponent and you cannot offer again until after your opponent has offered .  This would solve most of the problems where draw offers are concerned . 

That is a really neat idea.  Or you could have a time penalty for a second offered and refused draw (similar to scrabble where you can't just endlessly incorrectly challenge words).

xman720

Newengland's game was definitely a system failure. This is really disconcerning.



Esha_Nandhini

What will happen when i quit a group while playing a team match in it?

SmyslovFan

I have offered a draw when losing in a few USCF games OTB. 

If I am losing to a much lower rated player but that player shows that he doesn't know how to win, I offer the draw. It's usually accepted. 

I have also offered a draw in a lost position when time is also a factor. But those are concrete situations where the draw offer is reasonable despite the board position.

PeskyGnat

Speaking of Smyslov, there is this game where he offered a draw where he knew his opponent would more than likely accept

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032341

chesspro73

It's more funny, then rude...