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I like to play the Giucco Piano opening as white, however I came across this line.  Feels like it just loses for white... I'm a pawn down, and it's for no good reason.  Am I playing the right thing for white, because this makes me sad to play this opening if this is the correct line for white to take.
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On move 7 the usual move is Bd2 or Nbd2.

7.Nc3 is suggesting you're going for the moeller attack which would be 9.d5 and the theory goes on for quite a while. White temporarily gives up a piece but gets a big attack.

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Hey ghost.  I'm very bad at chess, so if you have an answer, I would really like to hear it!  It's a geniune question, and I just would like some advice.

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There was a note here with some specific suggestions, but it seems to have disappeared. If I remember correctly, it suggested consideration of 9 d5 as an alternative to 9 bxc3. I think it also mentioned 7 Bd2 and 7 Nbd2 as possible alternatives to 7 Nc3.

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kindaspongey wrote:

There was a note here with some specific suggestions, but it seems to have disappeared. If I remember correctly, it suggested consideration of 9 d5 as an alternative to 9 bxc3. I think it also mentioned 7 Bd2 and 7 Nbd2 as possible alternatives to 7 Nc3.

Yeah, my account was banned then reopened tongue.png

 

@ the OP:
The moeller is really tough. I (and just about everyone) knows the theory past move 20... and I've still lost to it in rapid games even though black is technically better if you know what you're doing.

But if you want something less tactical and initiative driven, don't play 7.Nc3. You can get very calm and solid positions after other 7th moves.

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What ever happened to 9. d5 (for White, not Black)? Did it get refuted?

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If the move 9. d5 is still as viable as the 7. Bd2 line, then perhaps that's the line the OP should be prepping?

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blueemu wrote:

What ever happened to 9. d5 (for White, not Black)? Did it get refuted?

It would be refuted in engine vs engine play, and probably a bad choice at master or IM level.

The main thing is what coleman said... as white it's a ton of prep work, nearly everyone knows the moves for black really deeply, and in the end you get an objectively bad position... there are better choices to get an interesting game like a schilleman or siesta or just a good ol' king's gambit.