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That said, it doesn't look that Kasparov was under some special pressure to change his family name, he just thought that this could be a good idea.

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Atos wrote:

That said, it doesn't look that Kasparov was under some special pressure to change his family name, he just thought that this could be a good idea.


That depends on what you mean by pressure, his trainer Alexander Nikitin has tried to take credit for the idea and convincing the whole family about the benefits of changing Garry's name, Botvinnik supported it wholeheartedly as well, and maybe also the Kasparov family in which he lived from his seventh year. It wouldn't be strange if a 12-year-old boy would find it a good idea under these circumstances and maybe even feel some pressure. More on the subject here:

http://www.chesscircle.net/forums/showthread.php?3377-Aryeh-Davidoff-Lev-Khariton-Kasparov-or-Veinstein-What-s

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rigamagician wrote:

In most of Kasparov's books, he makes somewhat veiled charges that Karpov's minions were trying to assure that he not play in 1983-4.  In Kasparov on Modern Chess Part II, he claims that at the height of the crisis, the propaganda department apparatchik Stakulin even told him "You are young.  You can afford to wait three years."  In Child of Change, he makes similar accusations saying that Nikolai Krogius, the head of the Sports Committee told him "we have a world champion, and we don't need another one."  Child of Change was released just before his match with Karpov in Seville 1987, and must have marked the nadir of their relationship.  Karpov was apparently steaming, and in his book, Karpov on Karpov, he spends a long time trying to defend himself against Kasparov's charges.

As I noted above, the tournaments where Korchnoi played were indeed boycotted by Soviet players, and Korchnoi was quite surprised when Kasparov was willing to play against him in the blitz tournie in Niksic.  This was probably the beginning of the rapprochement that ultimately led to the lifting of the boycott.


Nice post, that was about what I expected had happened between them.

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One correction: the blitz tourney was in Herceg Novi not in Niksic. 

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Let's cut to the chase---Gary, walk over there to that handle and push it down. Flush your Dad's name down the toilet. Your life will be a bowl of cherries.Tongue out

You will have it all Garry boy---fame, fortune, women, travel, women, houses, cars, women! Just push this handle down? Yes, thats all you have to do Garry. OK, I'll do it.

 Can you hear the sucking sound of the toilet?

I can very well understand why he did it---but it is dishonorable.

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What is "honorable" about a last name? Seriously? What is it? We don't live in the Rome of 1000s. Even then there's nothing honorable about it, but I could understand how people could consider it as such. Now, it's like a joke.

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I think some people just love to hate on the big K.  At this point the discussion is ridiculous because all the substantive points have been made:

* He was a kid

* His father had been dead for five years

* He lived in Soviet Russia in a completely different culture than America

* He took his mother's name, which, tradition aside, is just as honorable as his father's

* I doubt at his age, in his culture, and in that situation "easy greenbacks", as somebody referred to, was the first thing on his mind.

But even though all this stuff has been said, people still want to be dramatic and talk about how dishonorable it was.  Who gives a flying....what his name is?  In America people change their names all the time.  What he accomplished is much more important.

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raul72 wrote:

Let's cut to the chase---Gary, walk over there to that handle and push it down. Flush your Dad's name down the toilet. Your life will be a bowl of cherries.

You will have it all Garry boy---fame, fortune, women, travel, women, houses, cars, women! Just push this handle down? Yes, thats all you have to do Garry. OK, I'll do it.

 Can you hear the sucking sound of the toilet?

I can very well understand why he did it---but it is dishonorable.


So let's see. You're a 12 year old boy with a deceased Jewish father and Armenian mother, living in a predominantly Muslim country which really does not care for Armenia. All of these identities are subsumed under Russian-disguised-as-Soviet. The adults who are shaping your life, including a former world champion, suggest that you change your name to something closely resembling your mother's. You would of course stand up and refuse on principle???

Please, let's lose the sanctimony

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TheOldReb wrote:

As a father I can tell you that it would hurt me deeply if my sons changed their last name, which is also mine, and was my father's and his, and his....... etc. Are there any fathers here who wouldnt be hurt ?

Well, some Career Singers and actors change their last name, and sometimes their first name too, so they seem more attractive to the general public. My Grandfather (Namesake) was a jew and migrated to the United States from Russia right before WW2 , and he could not get a job here in the USA, with his Jewish Last name, so he Changed it to "Rogers". We have been working ever since, and with William Henry Rogers the Fourth about to be born, we have no intention of changing it Back. I do sport a Menorah on my Profile.

Someone in the help and support group was asking why chess.com wont allow members to sport the Karpov name. i was surfing around on the net and found this forum. does anyone know why chess.com wont allow us to use it, like other grandmasters names... ?

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TheOldReb escribió:

As a father I can tell you that it would hurt me deeply if my sons changed their last name, which is also mine, and was my father's and his, and his....... etc. Are there any fathers here who wouldnt be hurt ?

My bet is Alois Schicklgruber.

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