Karpov-Kramnik (Vs) Kasparov-Anand - Who will win?

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hboson47

Hi Folks!

I was watching this video(http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=FgdIPlMTQeo) on youtube about the legends of chess playing simul game with lot of people on 200th anniversary of a Zurich chess club; And got a crazy thought. Assuming, Karpvo-Kramnik play as a team against Kasparov-Anand , maybe in a 13 game tournament. Who are the favorites to win?

:)

waffllemaster

There's an interesting type of chess called something like tandem chess where there are two players for each side.  They alternate making moves for their side and are not allowed to talk about strategy, lines they calculate, etc.

The only tournament I know of this, the two top seeds happened to get paired together (roughly IM strength) and they did very poorly in the tournament.  I wonder how well the players you mention would be able to work together.

hboson47

I think I know what you are talking about. Remember seeing a tandem chess game video. Kramnik-Kosintseva (Vs) Anand-Koneru in Botvinnik Memorial..It was a blitz game..Check it out to see who won.Interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MBhIZ88g-k

waffllemaster

Yes, that's what I'm talking about.  Neat to see top players participating.

pathfinder416

About 2:10-2:15, there was a loud fart-like noise. Russian side or Indian side?

I played tandem occasionally in our university club, and it was challenging. Pair an aggressive attacker with a slow positional player and watch them sabotage each other :).

hboson47
pathfinder416 wrote:

About 2:10-2:15, there was a loud fart-like noise. Russian side or Indian side?

I played tandem occasionally in our university club, and it was challenging. Pair an aggressive attacker with a slow positional player and watch them sabotage each other :).


LMAO!!! At 2:13 sec that sound wasnt what you think. Looks like when Kramnik moved in his chair, there was a creaking sound! But,hats off to you for paying attention to that sound. Some eyes see combinations on the board which others dont see and some ears hear farts which others didnt hear :))))

pathfinder416
hboson47 wrote:
pathfinder416 wrote:

About 2:10-2:15, there was a loud fart-like noise. Russian side or Indian side?

I played tandem occasionally in our university club, and it was challenging. Pair an aggressive attacker with a slow positional player and watch them sabotage each other :).


LMAO!!! At 2:13 sec that sound wasnt what you think. Looks like when Kramnik moved in his chair, there was a creaking sound! But,hats off to you for paying attention to that sound. Some eyes see combinations on the board which others dont see and some ears hear farts which others didnt hear :))))


It's my military training, we tend to notice these small details :).

hboson47
kasnew wrote:

In the history we have a noticy that Kasparov  challenged for the World Title and lost to Karpov in 1984 in an epic 48 game match (see entry on Karpov) but won the following year and successfully defended it 3 times against Karpov in the coming years by very tight margins



1984 championship from what I understand was ridden with controversies stemming from some sort of bias shown in favor of Karpov.It was basically abandoned ultimately. Check out this entry from wiki.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1984)

"The World Chess Championship 1984 was a match between challenger Garry Kasparov and defending champion Anatoly Karpov for the World Chess Championship title. After 5 months and 48 games, the match was abandoned in controversial circumstances with Karpov leading five wins to three (with 40 draws), and replayed in the World Chess Championship 1985."

blake78613

I have played tandem chess and it gave me one severe migraine headache.  You not only have to figure what the opponents are up to, but also your partner.

fabelhaft
kasnew wrote:
Historically we find that  challenged for the World Title and lost to Karpov in 1984 in an epic 48 game match (see entry on Karpov) but won the following year and successfully defended it 3 times against Karpov in the coming years by very tight margins



I wouldn't say that Kasparov lost the match in 1984, it was stopped after he had gone from 0-5 to 3-5 but that doesn't mean that he lost the match since it never was finished. Anyway I'd bet on Kasparov/Anand against Karpov/Kramnik. Kasparov played five matches against Karpov, four with a successful result and one without a result, while Anand won his match against Kramnik.

blake78613

Karpov and Kramnik have compatible styles.  Kasparov plays to create chaos on the board while Anand strives for clarity.  I would pick Karpov and Kramnik.

hboson47
blake78613 wrote:

Karpov and Kramnik have compatible styles.  Kasparov plays to create chaos on the board while Anand strives for clarity.  I would pick Karpov and Kramnik.


But Karpov has been known to slip some golden chances from his hand, in critical matches with Kasparov. He tends to lose his nerve at times with Kasparov. Am not exactly sure about the style of play of Kramnik. But, somehow I feel Anand's clarity/calm composure and Kasparov's genius will trump Karpov-Kramnik.

But again, all this is speculation based upon past trends and patterns.Ultimately it may depend upon who clicks on the game day.

Barry_Helafonte2

back then anand won

but now they are both old men

so it could be just a tie