King Indian Attack good or bad choice?

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chessdr1118

I was wondering what people's thoughts are on the Kings Indian Attack for white.

I've recently been playing it a lot however it's not an opening I see too often and I was wondering if there's a reason for that.

Do you think it's a bad choice for white and too weakening for the King by placing the bishop on g2 after playing g3 and benifits black more than white especially if black chooses to castle queenside and attack the king side?

I've had some pretty successful games with it against stronger players however it seems to have a tendency to get rather dul and samy and lacking in aggression.

konhidras
onwardsandupwards wrote:

I was wondering what people's thoughts are on the Kings Indian Attack for white.

 

I've recently been playing it a lot however it's not an opening I see too often and I was wondering if there's a reason for that.

 

Do you think it's a bad choice for white and too weakening for the King by placing the bishop on g2 after playing g3 and benifits black more than white especially if black chooses to castle queenside and attack the king side?

 

I've had some pretty successful games with it against stronger players however it seems to have a tendency to get rather dul and samy and lacking in aggression.

I was once a KIA player and noticed that this opening although playable is too positional for me. It takes alot of maneuvering. I shall post the game i had with this opening as white (if i ever find it). 

chessdr1118

Great, yeah please do post it if you can find it. Would be interesting to see other people's games using the KIA.

Spiritbro77

I've been trying to learn the KID, never thought about trying it with White.... Hmmmm might have to give it a try sometime.

chessdr1118
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donRaimundo

It is a good opening. Try the Group devoted to the KIA here on this site.

Ambassador_Spock
donRaimundo wrote:

It is a good opening. Try the Group devoted to the KIA here on this site.

KIA inc., where the King's Indian Attack is our business.  Click our logo to apply.

Ambassador_Spock

I'm afraid I would have to disagree.  Our "Greek KIA" Series, originally written by an International Master, details subtle themes and rich ideas in this system.  I would highly recommend it to virtually anyone.

Perseus82

If the King's Indian Defence is a respectable system for Black why can't it be with the King's Indian Attack? After all its the same opening, but only with an extra move for White. Yes, in most cases games played with the system tends to be positional but you can also see some tactical battles too. Besides, dry positional chess isn't what you are up to when you play the KID. There are plenty of examples to ditch from where black found his king in very serious trouble on the Kingside other than being choked to death on the Queenside.

Ambassador_Spock

Hear, hear.

AnnaTheRaja

You should play attacking chess with the king's Gambit and the Italian game.Morphy was one such great who conrolled the center effectively with sacrifices fit for the greatest of grandmasters.

AnnaTheRaja

I say the KIA is a good opening but white should always prefer e4.

Dale

Good enough for Bobby Fischer means it is an extremely serious opening.

TheGreatOogieBoogie

It's obviously playable but it seems better to learn real openings instead of system setups. 

 

The Giuoco Piano from either side of the board is pretty fun: you either play against or with a pawn center.  The KIA seems like it would result in some open or fixed pawn structures that likely help black.  With the fianchetto the f1-a6 diagonal is weakened, which can become a deal if white isn't too careful, or a fixed/static center where black can plant a knight at e4 blunting your bishop.  Overly simplistic?  Yes, but like the OP knows systems have their merits such as knowing positions better.

 

The problem is you won’t obtain experience in other kinds of positions or pawn structures. 

 

And hey, it could be worse; you could have a cult-like devotion to crap like the Grob, Basman, Polish, Latvian or Englund.  The KIA isn't crap, just a bit gimmicky. 

 

 

Ambassador_Spock

I agree the KIA has its theoretical and practical limitations.  It is not for everyone.  I have played many games with it, however, I can't recall a typical position with a Black knight on e4. In fact, the d3-pawn and g2-bishop typically cover that square very well.  Did you mean, perhaps, a knight on d4?

TheGreatOogieBoogie
HectorPerez wrote:

I agree the KIA has its theoretical and practical limitations.  It is not for everyone.  I have played many games with it, however, I can't recall a typical position with a Black knight on e4. In fact, the d3-pawn and g2-bishop typically cover that square very well.  Did you mean, perhaps, a knight on d4?

 I was thinking of a Catalan with the Ne4 example for some reason.  Even then the knight can become a focal point for piece pressure but is generally obnoxious. 

Ambassador_Spock
pfren wrote:

The KIA is pretty OK, but... it's not an attack.

Yes, I agree.  Actually in KIA inc. we have a series ("Greek KIA") based on information from a Greek IM detailing the subtleties and themes in the KIA.  It starts with the fact that the opening name "Attack" is a misnomer. "Barcza System" being more appropriate. 

Ambassador_Spock
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:
HectorPerez wrote:

I agree the KIA has its theoretical and practical limitations.  It is not for everyone.  I have played many games with it, however, I can't recall a typical position with a Black knight on e4. In fact, the d3-pawn and g2-bishop typically cover that square very well.  Did you mean, perhaps, a knight on d4?

 I was thinking of a Catalan with the Ne4 example for some reason.  Even then the knight can become a focal point for piece pressure but is generally obnoxious. 

I see. I'm afraid I'm a bit of a one-trick-pony and play the KIA exclusively.  I've seen the Catalan, of course, but never actually played it. 

Evilution
chessdr1118 wrote:

I was wondering what people's thoughts are on the Kings Indian Attack for white.

 

It's a way to go... but why not build an 1. e4 or 1. d4 2. c4 rep. that is much more aggressive and will last a lifetime?

Ambassador_Spock

Why yes.  Just as a house is built on a foundation, middlegame plans/themes are built on the opening.