The queens gambit gives white more space but the kings gambit can be crushing if used correctly. I think I prefer the queens gambit for now but I should check out the kings gambit some more.
King's Gambit Vs. Queen's Gambit. Which one is better?
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Nxf7 Kxf7 and I didn't see a concrete follow up. White is probably still winning but unlike Bxg6, Nxf7 is a legitimate sacrifice instead of a pseudo-sacrifice(you take the bishop and you lose the queen)
Oct 11, 2010
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#24
Let me put it this way: I am likely to answer e4 with e5 but I avoid like the plague playing d5 after d4. Black can fight for initiative after the KG but struggles for equality in the QG.
Oct 11, 2010
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#25
The problem with the KG is that you move the F pawn. Never move the F pawn early, it's like exposing your throat to a Wolf! If nothing else you're going to have a bloody game.
In my early years learning this game I only played 1. e4, and never the KG. After taking time off for university etc. I only started back playing from Dec 2009, and began reading and actually studying the game in my spare time. Surprisingly, I only play 1. d4 now, and I love the QG...go figure.
There's no real comparision between King's Gambit and Queens Gambit at the elite level. Queen's Gambit 1d4. ... 2. c4... is a mainstay of elite chess. Whereas King's Gambit 1e4 ... 2 f4 ... is a curiousity, an antiquity, it gets trotted out occassionally for shock value by the GMs that like to shock but even then it is no one's -- absolutely no one's -- mainstay opening (at classical time controls) for White. And hasn't been for at least 50 years. So in terms of which is better -- the vote from the GMs is unequivocal: Queen's Gambit.
But that's GMs and IMs ... someone said, and I think they're right -- below master level all openings are sound. King's Gambit seems to be a favorite of speed chess players. Personally, I dread playing against the King's Gambit (except in correspondence chess...) ... the kinds of positions that arise from it give me fits.
batgirl wrote:
One's a real gambit; one's a pseudo-gambit. There's no comparison.
True, but the question is which do you think is better. The Queen's Gambit is much sounder than the king's gambit,and since I'm not too familiar with the king's gambit, I prefer the queen's (though usually I open with e4). Still, it's just a matter of personal preference, as are all (or at least most) openings.
Oct 12, 2010
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#29
"True, but the question is which do you think is better. . . . Still, it's just a matter of personal preference, as are all (or at least most) openings."
:-D
Then it's not of question of which is better, but which one you like.
When I play a KG, my opponent must try to beat my KG; when I play the QG, my opponent must try to beat my QG. They're different, that's all. Objectively, the QG gives white better chances NOT to lose. I think white may win even slightly more with the QG than with the KG, but a lot of that isn't really objective since only a certain type of individual, usually a risk taker, will employ the KG to any extent. The "better" opening is the one that brings you pleasure.
Challenge sent to gambitking. I predict this will be fun.
gambitking, I sent you a challenge where you get to be white in a kings gambit and I get to be white in a queens gambit. please accept.
What must I do to get you to accept? maybe I'll say this:
THE KING'S GAMBIT IS UNSOUND
THE QUEEN'S GAMBIT OFFERS NEAR DECISIVE ADVANTAGE TO WHITE
I await your angry response in the morning
Gambitking wrote:
ogerboy wrote:
Nope, from my experience, those who prefer the QG are pretty serious people.
Nope, from my experience, those who prefer the QG are pretty serious people.
Name one Queen's Pawn player who has not played the QG.
What the hell are you talking about? Black can decline the QG, but so can he in the KG. Black can take the pawn in the QG, and so can he in the KG. Black can counter-attack the QG with the Budapest, Chigorin etc, but so can he in the KG, such as the Falkbeer, or other more seldom seen moves like 2...Qf6.
No, if anything, your arguments turn upon itself.
FIrst of all, I gave moves for my reasons, and you gave rhetoric. However, what you said deserves an answer:
"Naming one Queen's pawn player who does not play the Queen's Gambit" is irrelevant. What is more relevant is that the King's Gambit was the favourite weapon (more than the Queen's Gambit!) of all of the players that I mentioned!
You are only partially correct when you state that Black can counterattack in the King's Gambit. It is true that he can play a Falkbeer or something, but not only does this promise nothing more than equality, if that, but White can also get an active 'gambit-style' position just as he wants.
HOWEVER--There is ONE way to counter the King's Gambit... and I DOUBT that you know of it (or have ever dreamed of playing it!) -- it worked for me just fine in a recent game against Ilikeflags!
http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=41517607
In the end, though, words are cheap--so, I challenge you to back up the claims you are making, just as I am backing up mine through what I am doing right here, and accept the challenge that I will send you. We can post the game in this forum, and all will able to see what happens!
The Gambit King
I have not said the KG is unsound, or anywhere near refuted. In fact, the KG has experienced quite a revival in the recent years.
BTW, naming players of QG are just as relevant than naming players who were dead ages ago who has played the KG.
I don't know what claims of mine you are talking about, because all I said was that the QG is every bit as good as the KG, and just because one opening is not a gambit, does not make it vomit either (the OP does not seem to care whether an opening is a 'real' gambit or not).
batman is cooler than superman
I don't know who alfred is/was
Oct 14, 2010
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#36
birdboy1 wrote:
I don't know who alfred is/was
Holy socks, Batman!
Alfred is Batman's butler. Don't people watch TV any more? Get in your time machine, go back to 1966, and watch Batman--in color! 
oh yeah, I do have a vague recollection of alfred. Except when my memory gets impaired from lack of sleep, alfred is always the first to go.
Oct 14, 2010
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#38
ogerboy wrote: BTW, naming players of QG are just as relevant than naming players who were dead ages ago who has played the KG.
Could be, but you asked for players who don't play the Queen's Gambit, which is not relevant when the point is openings that are/were major tools for specific players. There probably aren't many masters who haven't played at least a few games with each of the major openings, but clearly not all of the openings will be favorites for everyone just because they've investigated them a couple times.
Oct 14, 2010
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#39
The Queens Gambit, is better. Ask all the super GM's and the best players in the history that did or are playing it.
And yes, Nigel Short is playing it VERY rare. But he's the only Super GM playing it.
@birdboy1: Wouldn't 20. Nf7 work as well?