Oddly enough, as you get closer to the top... where the competition ought to be more intense... the opponents seem to get more polite.
On the other hand some GMs are huge jerks
Especially in online blitz... Naka comes to mind.
Topalov
Apparently his manager was the fÜcker, and Topolov was just the dumb the patsy.
suck on that one you fking auto filter
Yes. But Topalov wouldn't fire the baster because he orchestrated the player's rise to the top.
Some of Topalov's games are truly inspiring, but I was a fan of Kramnik for many years. The garbage that went down in Elista trashed the world championship.
The garbage that went down in Elista trashed the world championship.
Yeah, that's the main thing.
Yay, let's all get snobbish about what counts as chess. A single game of chess carried on until you go to your grave is the only real chess, by whatever medium you play it!
good call xD
but to @Ziryab , thanks vm for this thread, it's good to learn what is bad etiquette and am sorry he had to be such a bad loser/winner/loser.
Oddly enough, as you get closer to the top... where the competition ought to be more intense... the opponents seem to get more polite.
On the other hand some GMs are huge jerks
Especially in online blitz... Naka comes to mind.
Topalov
if someone continues to fight until the bitter end, i dont mind. thats what the clock is there for. however...i played someone today who, after blundering let their time run down, 5 minutes, resigning on the last second. i assume theyre hoping we will resign rater than wait. i told him/her that 5 minutes in Germany takes the same amount of time in America...i can wait.
if someone continues to fight until the bitter end, i dont mind. thats what the clock is there for. however...i played someone today who, after blundering let their time run down, 5 minutes, resigning on the last second. i assume theyre hoping we will resign rater than wait. i told him/her that 5 minutes in Germany takes the same amount of time in America...i can wait.
Was it Lasker?
A lot of people are crybabies when they lose....a very common thing these days is to just stop moving their pieces once I have achieved an advantage in correspondence chess. They go to moving at the very last second of the time control hoping you time out or make a mistake. It's such a cowards way of playing chess.
Personally I will move much later in correspondence games where I am losing or am worse, or also if it's just really complicated. Part of that is the need to examine it for longer to get the best practical chance of saving the game, part of it is admittedly putting off a difficult or unpleasant decision. I can make some quick moves that I find obvious when I get a spare minute at work to check my phone, but if it's not clear I would rather wait until I'm chilling at home. And if my position is horrible I would rather just not look at it until I have to.
I'm just giving my perspective. But the bottom line is if I have 5 days to make a move and decide to use 5 days then that is entirely my right. And likewise if my opponent does it. If I win my game today or in 3 weeks I don't really see why it matters, this is the nature of correspondence chess. I invite you to read what you have posted, then read what I have posted and consider which of us sounds like a crybaby.
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This all depends on the definition of stalling. Using all your available time in a worse middle game is clearly different from doing so when you have a lone King vs King and Queen for example. Either way, I will decide for myself when I want to move and when I want to resign. Just as everyone else is free to do, regardless of accusations of cowardice or some notion of failing to 'be a man'.
Also a good chat line when you are outplaying someone " Did you know, there is a resign button! "
I've threatened to send a link to a YouTube video on how to find the resign button. Alas, I haven't made the video nor found one that someone else has made.
These comments are rude. It may be poor manners to drag a game on, but harassing your opponent is against the rules. We all should be better competitors.
Well OK there are rules but it is quite hard to define. If I am dead lost (in my opinion, not in my opponents) I will resign. I also will not move with for example 30 minutes left every 7 days, or use vacation time in hopeless positions to delay the inevitable. I am talking about taking longer in games you are fighting to save (because there is still a fighting chance, and yeah positions which leave you with a choice of evils). Before I disengage from this debate I will just point out that I have been playing daily games here for over 3 1/2 years and clocked about 4500 games. In all that time I have not once been warned about stalling. This would suggest that my approach to when I make my moves and when I resign is deemed entirely reasonable. In fact, my average move time is under 10 hours I think.
What I am describing is a much more deliberate intent of stalling. What you described is reasonable.
In correspondence chess, I have stalled after reporting someone for cheating. Sometimes, I've been wrong. Once, I couldn't stall long enough as he was banned six months after the game ended.
Now that the site sometimes restores lost rating points, there is less reason for this stalling. I've also cut back significantly on correspondence. There was a two year period where nearly fifty percent of my opponents seemed "aided". Several were banned.
Generally, though, I feel your pain. I've been on the receiving end, too.
What I am describing is a much more deliberate intent of stalling. What you described is reasonable.
In correspondence chess, I have stalled after reporting someone for cheating. Sometimes, I've been wrong. Once, I couldn't stall long enough as he was banned six months after the game ended.
Now that the site sometimes restores lost rating points, there is less reason for this stalling. I've also cut back significantly on correspondence. There was a two year period where nearly fifty percent of my opponents seemed "aided". Several were banned.
Generally, though, I feel your pain. I've been on the receiving end, too.
I completely agree with you. I feel a lot of my daily games are against players who are cheating, but it is much harder to catch because of the openings explorer in my opinion.
I am trending towards getting out of daily almost completely. The transition is taking so long. My overall goal is to improve for OTB play anyways. All of my work is so that I can continue to improve my OTB play and so I have adjusted all of my play in accordance with that idea. I try not to use engines even for analysis. I study OTB. I train OTB. I use online mainly just to practice ideas, but I will feel much better about it once I have gotten rid of most of my queue in daily and just have a few games against players I trust that will keep moving their pieces.
This. I've found daily has helped me to improve OTB, but especially since I've been playing few games at once, over and over against a totally reliable but far better opponent. We have played more than 400 games in different formats.
I'm always open to any challenge. 
Stay far away from games longer than 3 days/move. That limits your potential damage to a 6 month game or so even from the worst delaying offender.
Generally I would say someone should resign if they can see how they are beat, regardless of Rating difference, Clock Situation, etc. I think it is important to recognize if your opponent is completely winning and respect them enough to let them know you know. Obviously if you don't see how they are winning then fine, play it out, but if its obvious, don't try and flag them, don't try and make them blunder, etc. it is EXTREMELY disrespectful to play on when you know you are dead lost, know HOW you are dead lost, and are confident your Opponent knows how too, and it is Clear. Obviously in a complete tactical mess where its too complicated to properly evaluate or calculate the previous doesn't apply as chances are neither player knows what is happening in the position.
But respect your opponent's time, energy and play.
Oddly enough, as you get closer to the top... where the competition ought to be more intense... the opponents seem to get more polite.
On the other hand some GMs are huge jerks
Especially in online blitz... Naka comes to mind.
Topalov