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Leela with massive hardware will be participating in ICGA tournment

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drmrboss

A lot of Leela fans are so hyped about, Leela participating in International Computer Games Association tournament , from 12/07/2018 to 14/07/2018. 

 

Leela is on 8xV100 GPU($8000x8=$64000) , which is close to the speed A0 on 4TPU. 

The tournament is not as popular as TCEC these days, cos of the rule on the unlimited hardware use. However, you can see the highest quality chess games with massive hardware.

Although Stockfish and Houdini will not be participating, 5 participants are the top 10 engines. I think 

1. Komodo may be using 64 threads/cores

2. Gingko may be on 200 threads/cores

3. Jonny may be on 2000 threads/core

4. Shredder ??? cores

5. boot ??? cores

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https://icga.org/?page_id=2365

Preggo_Basashi

What was AZ hardware?

drmrboss

A0 is on 4 TPU,.

drmrboss

The speed of A0 is 80Kn/s on 20x256 blocks and filters

 

I will update the speed of Leela , Leela will be running on 15x192 blocks and filters.

Preggo_Basashi

Oh, I had no idea just 8 of something would be close to AZ. I guess that's why they're $8000 each.

drmrboss
ChessStriving wrote:

Why isn't Stockfish listed?

It is the tournament where you have to physically bring your own hardware. (that may cost a lot of money)

None of Stockfish authors/ fanboys are interested in that tournament.

 

Meanwhile Leela project is supported by fat wallet fanboys. (A lot of big private companies are also hyped on Artificial Intelligent (Leela) cos AI is unstoppable technology)

drmrboss
ChessStriving wrote:

Anyways, where do we tune in to watch these games?

https://icga.org/?page_id=2365

I dont think you can view the game live on online. 

Preggo_Basashi
ChessStriving wrote:

what is the point of making new accounts every day then deleting them a few minutes later?

I have no idea.

drmrboss
Preggo_Basashi wrote:

Oh, I had no idea just 8 of something would be close to AZ. I guess that's why they're $8000 each.

Leela team have new neural network programming technology that speed up about x10 times,

Without that , you have to use 80x$8000= $640,000. lol

Preggo_Basashi

Ok, I thought the cost was closer to 1 million, but after you posted I doubted myself.

drmrboss

Yes, Alpha Go Zero cost $ 25 million. But those TPU are not in public market.

Preggo_Basashi

Thanks again for the info.

So how well do leela fans think she'll do?

madratter7

Unless it has gained massively (like around 300 points) in the last couple weeks, I think Komodo will wipe the floor with it.

 

I like Leela chess a lot. I like the style of chess it plays. But it was too weak when I tested it to make a serious try against Komodo (unless Komodo is playing Monte Carlo mode which weakens it considerably).

drmrboss

The best Leela can expect is getting 2nd position. Leela is no match against top 3(Stockfish, Komodo,Houdini).

Yes, Komodo on 64 cores will likely win Leela.

SmyslovFan

Did the AlphaZero team ever release the complete set of games it played against Stockfish? The selection they did release was very impressive, but it provided a very incomplete picture with something like 78% of the games not being published. 

drmrboss

No, they didnt release. Looks like a joke. happy.png

Most Stockfish programmers are still confident that current stockfish on full 64 cores will be in equal strength vs A0. happy.png

SmyslovFan

I dunno about equal strength, but it would have been a much closer match. Stockfish was clearly hobbled. But that's a discussion that's been had many times over.

Preggo_Basashi

Elroch defended it forever, but 1GB hash with ~60 cores is dumb.

Preggo_Basashi

 - old version
 - bizarre time control
 - no opening book

 - very odd hardware matchup

DiogenesDue

Hopefully, A0 will play a real match someday.