Lichess shadow ban - no warnings

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porkqupine

> I do not cheat thank you, if you think I do please look at my games and prove it, and if you don't,  apologise and remove  that or you will be reported.

First, I said, "oh whatever else you get banned for". Which implies there could be other reasons for you to get banned, because I don't know/care which it was. Read before you write. You got banned for doing something. Several times. Ever tried not doing it anymore?

Second, go ahead or report me for saying you might have cheated on lichess.

Third, there's no need to thank me, I do it all out of kindness of my heart.

psychohist
IMKeto wrote:
Powerdome wrote:

Its so pathetic that they don't tell you you are banned or muted. I have been typing threads and replying for ages...not a peep from the mods...I wasn't cheating...just banter...perhaps they are too woke?

Since this continually seems to be lost on so many.  It is an internet site.  They can do what they want.  They do not need to give you a reason.  The only "right" or more precisely "privilege" you have is to be able to go to the site.

Wrong.  He also has the "right" to let people on other sites know about the issues so they can avoid the site, which is exactly what he's doing.

Thanks, OP!  I've been thinking about trying that site out, but now I know I'm better off skipping it.

llama47
TacticalPrecision wrote:

I haven't read the thread but in general, my thoughts on censorship today are as follows: Just because someone maybe shouldn't have said something, or it's offensive, doesn't mean something has to be *done* about it immediately. There's nothing wrong with having a discussion with the offending party. Online and off today, every time someone's offended in the slightest they want some kind of action taken against the offending party when very often, what's dealt out winds up being overly heavy handed and nonsensical. 

Discussions can serve several purposes like expression and learning, but useful forms always have a social aspect. Trolls can use speech in an anti social way, and by that I mean there's nothing to express or learn. It's an inauthentic form of discussion.

Anyway, I think I read in this topic at some point that lichess has one guy handing out shadow bans or whatever. This is a silly system. Even though trolls (and similar) are a social disease (so to speak), at the same time your policies have to encourage healthy speech, To do that I think you need transparency.

llama47
Ginarook wrote:
llama47 wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:

I haven't read the thread but in general, my thoughts on censorship today are as follows: Just because someone maybe shouldn't have said something, or it's offensive, doesn't mean something has to be *done* about it immediately. There's nothing wrong with having a discussion with the offending party. Online and off today, every time someone's offended in the slightest they want some kind of action taken against the offending party when very often, what's dealt out winds up being overly heavy handed and nonsensical. 

Discussions can serve several purposes like expression and learning, but useful forms always have a social aspect. Trolls can use speech in an anti social way, and by that I mean there's nothing to express or learn. It's an inauthentic form of discussion.

Anyway, I think I read in this topic at some point that lichess has one guy handing out shadow bans or whatever. This is a silly system. Even though trolls (and similar) are a social disease (so to speak), at the same time your policies have to encourage healthy speech, To do that I think you need transparency.

CM Sargon appears to be a bit of a sadist to be honest.

He seems to enjoy handing out shadow bans, then boasting about it, and saying nasty things about the people he has done it to when he knows they cannot reply.

He also seems to revel in the shadow banned persons concern that when  their friends message them, they reply, but their friends cannot read their replies.

I don't think it is appropriate to do that, its just cruel. and in his hands just a kind of mental torture tool, which he enjoys watching.

That seems like a very one sided description, but sure, that sort of personality would be attracted to a moderator role.

llama47

I like lichess' interface. The look and feel are slightly better than chess.com to me.

But for everything else I like chess.com. So things like puzzlerush > puzzle storm and the forums.

IOW I don't know anything about their forums. A quick google says you get warnings before shadowban unless you do something extreme. There's also an appeal process... but again I don't know because I don't post there.

llama47
Zinc-Man wrote:
Ginarook wrote:
llama47 wrote:
Ginarook wrote:
llama47 wrote:
TacticalPrecision wrote:

I haven't read the thread but in general, my thoughts on censorship today are as follows: Just because someone maybe shouldn't have said something, or it's offensive, doesn't mean something has to be *done* about it immediately. There's nothing wrong with having a discussion with the offending party. Online and off today, every time someone's offended in the slightest they want some kind of action taken against the offending party when very often, what's dealt out winds up being overly heavy handed and nonsensical. 

Discussions can serve several purposes like expression and learning, but useful forms always have a social aspect. Trolls can use speech in an anti social way, and by that I mean there's nothing to express or learn. It's an inauthentic form of discussion.

Anyway, I think I read in this topic at some point that lichess has one guy handing out shadow bans or whatever. This is a silly system. Even though trolls (and similar) are a social disease (so to speak), at the same time your policies have to encourage healthy speech, To do that I think you need transparency.

CM Sargon appears to be a bit of a sadist to be honest.

He seems to enjoy handing out shadow bans, then boasting about it, and saying nasty things about the people he has done it to when he knows they cannot reply.

He also seems to revel in the shadow banned persons concern that when  their friends message them, they reply, but their friends cannot read their replies.

I don't think it is appropriate to do that, its just cruel. and in his hands just a kind of mental torture tool, which he enjoys watching.

That seems like a very one sided description, but sure, that sort of personality would be attracted to a moderator role.

He is well known for that, and other rather cruel acts.

Others have told me about what he has done to them, and even more have said they have heard all about his "doings"

However if he is here and wishes to give his side, I am fine with that

He will not however because he knows he cannot ban or shadow ban me here

 

Someone I know quite well through chess club had his account closed about a year ago. He still maintains that he did not cheat and yet game after game his analysis showed him playing at a level any titled player would be proud of. He is an average club player ECF rating of around 1450 which clearly does not tally with 20 or so games that he played on here before his account was closed. He appealed it was rejected. I believe those who cheat on every game get caught.

Yeah, and that's why I have a hard time believing people who complain bitterly.

People who give excellent reviews and people who give scathing reviews... both are usually inaccurate, either out of bias or plain stupidity.

Powerdome
Ginarook wrote:
DrJetlag wrote:

I really would be interested to know what it takes to get shadowbanned there (other than cheating). No one is specific about it, only generalities like "stand up to" as if there is a common understanding of what this means or implies, but it doesn't say much. I have the feeling that I'd have to make a conscious effort to get banned, but I might be wrong. 

Ok its very simple, you quote one of Lichess's ( alleged ) principles, that is "equal access to all feature for all members"

You then point out that is no longer the case.

You prove that, then you get banned.

The issue was simuls which due to changes are not now equally available to all lichess members.

So you make new identity and do the same again, but this time with a different example of why this is not the case.

No rudeness, just pointing out that it is no longer equal for all

You then get called an "obnoxious troll ",by the man himself, you then put in a report about that, and guess what ?

Instead of acknowledging there was no reason at all for calling me that...I get banned again.

One rule for one, one for another, just like Mister Boris Johnson and his friends it seems

So identity three was not meant to be so patient, or polite, and she wasn't

That ban was fully justified lol, but it was fun

 

Lichess used to have some advantages over chess.com, in my view it now has none, and chess,com has overtaken it  by a long way.

 

 

Yes, my thoughts exactly, that loser who runs the site, sitting in his moms basement banning people for fun....so sad......one of these "picked last in gym class" kind of peasants haha

 

goldenbeer
Lichess is only good for puzzles and their very rigid discipline against cheaters which makes it actually possible to play rapid there from time to time without all time fearing that in a complex tactical position your opponent puts FEN to the engine.

But it’s awfully bad with moderation, it is an awful dictatorship with a very narrowminded moderators. Lichess is not a social site, it’s just a tool, I don’t consider it as anything beyond that.
goldenbeer
@TacticalPrecisiom, could you please explain, based on comment of @Ginarook, how did you come up with such a conclusion?


Someone made a claim with detailed explanation then you attack the person to take him down instead of attacking his claim? Are you troll or sth?

I’m really interested to study people like you and see what’s their mind process.
reza90900

why would people chose LC ? i mean what's good is in it ? how is it better than chess.com ?

PerpetualPatzer123
reza90900 wrote:

why would people chose LC ? i mean what's good is in it ? how is it better than chess.com ?

Less lag. Smoother interface. 

 

They’re both good sites. Why not play on both?

goldenbeer
@CooloutAC,

Lichess wants to promote its own agenda, silences everyone who is not in their line. This is a reason that you see much less activity in their forums. They talk to themselves. But they provide useful tools that can be used as a software (puzzles, analysis board, setting up your own tournaments, etc). But of course they will never be a popular social chess app unless they heavily change their policy (they won’t).
llama47
CooloutAC wrote:
reza90900 wrote:

why would people chose LC ? i mean what's good is in it ? how is it better than chess.com ?

for me the matches are more consistently competitive and they take cheating more seriously.   The puzzles are also free and have more of a random variety.  The game analysis is also simpler and more intuitive.

I don't know that they take cheating more seriously, but I've had some people tell me there's less cheating there. Maybe simply due to having fewer n00bs, but I don't know.

goommba88

They get away with this behaviour because they run a free site, but it is bad customer service and one reason I dont play on there much. unfort. for you 

 1 or 2 of their mods have extremely small wangs and need to lord their power

over someone

later dudes

goomba88

Powerdome
goommba88 wrote:

They get away with this behaviour because they run a free site, but it is bad customer service and one reason I dont play on there much. unfort. for you 

 1 or 2 of their mods have extremely small wangs and need to lord their power

over someone

later dudes

goomba88

Haha  thats so funny.....like I said before...picked last in every classhappy.png

Powerdome

Apparently there are two ego maniacs/losers who run the site...Thebiult (?) and a GM Sargon. From what I have gathered in this thread, they take extreme pleasure in shadow banning people and then making it impossible to be unmuted. Chess.com are far more mature when dealing with peoples opinions and player disagreements. 

goldenbeer
@Ginarook, you are right, btw, sorry I had to say she and I said he! (since 95% of players I see are male I was biased and didn’t look at your profile picture).
goldenbeer
@CoomoutAC, cool to see that you find out you are shadowbanned 😂😂 then do you defend them anymore?

No one from chess.com is after you. The lichess team is really bad. Once I’ve talked about their cheating detection strategy, then they started to attack me and since they couldn’t silence me shadowbanned me. They shadowban every voice against them.

After that I didn’t play there for about a year.

Only recently, after inclusion of leagues and destroying the honesty of players at chess.com I’ve started to play a bit at lichess. I was using lichess only as a tool, a software (analyzing and setting up the board).
goldenbeer
I mean @CooloutAC. And yes, if it’s her photo, you are right, but I don’t think this post is related to such topics.
justbefair

I fear the conversation has gone into cheating too many times...