Okay unlike you I will admit when I am wrong. AlphaZero returned! Returned to crush Stockfish even worse and under all circumstances. AlphaZero is the strongest chess player on earth. Will it return? Who could it play? If Stockfish cannot compete who then? Maybe just publish self play games from time to time. What do you think?
You were wrong then and you're also wrong now on a completely different front...let's call a spade a spade. Until AZ plays in an official match against the latest version of Stockfish, not just some informal games tacked onto their Stockfish 8/9 experiment, they still are hiding the truth, just like their first backroom "experiment" . AZ proved it had +50 Elo over an early release of Stockfish 9 (Jan 2018). Stockfish 10 has a similar increase in Elo. AZ and Stockfish 10 have not had any official engagements. Stockfish 9 won numerous games as white once it was run as designed, with databases. Stockfish 10 is untested. That is the actual provable state of affairs as things sit.
"Today, Ford proved that a 1994 Taurus is the fastest car in the world...in numerous races against top of the line Formula 1 racers, the Taurus won every heat. The Formula One racers engines all died within minutes of starting, due to using 86 Octane regular gas with Techroline from Chevron, which was the conditions chosen by Ford for this demonstration. Ferrari and McLaren/Honda protested in vain that it was not fair to run the races on a closed track owned by Ford's CEO. The press hailed the results as controversial and click-worthy, and passed them right along to the public without a lick of scrutiny or understanding of what they were reporting."
Google/Alphabet got what they wanted with their press release, the mindshare of the masses. The people in the chess world and in the know in the development community know that these results are probably real, but still dubious. Ergo this quote from the Chess.com article:
"The results leave no question, once again, that AlphaZero plays some of the strongest chess in the world."
Wow, really definitive statement there.
The members of the DeepMind team that are avid Chess players have their own agenda beyond Google's corporate agenda, and so will keep attempting to aggrandize themselves by using unverifiable backroom results, until they actually have a version that flat out beats the best chess engine. Then they will emerge for a real match and let the accolades wash over them ...it's a coward's way of competing without actual risk. If they never can beat Stockfish, or some future version of Leela, or whomever it is, they will take the same out that the OP did, and claim they just didn't care enough. Until you take your rocket car to the salt flats of Utah and do an official run timed by 3rd parties, you can claim you have the fastest land vehicle 'til the cow's come home. It's just posturing.
Meanwhile, OP, your incessant arguing that the DeepMind team didn't care a whit about chess is obviously laughable at this point. They wouldn't have released more dubious claims if some one or someones on the team were not heavily invested. In Anna's visit to DeepMind, you can see this investment first hand in a clip where a DeepMind team member (who looks amazingly like the Candidate Master chess player on the team) is being told by his colleagues "you've been trying to do this for 2 years", and the giant smile on his face. Oh...and then there's the fact that Google volunteered their London HQ, where DeepMind sits a floor or two below for the London Chess Classic, coincidentally dovetailing with the timing of this press release. Nah, they never cared at all...
I admitted I was wrong. You should admit your a jerk.
Okay unlike you I will admit when I am wrong. AlphaZero returned! Returned to crush Stockfish even worse and under all circumstances. AlphaZero is the strongest chess player on earth. Will it return? Who could it play? If Stockfish cannot compete who then? Maybe just publish self play games from time to time. What do you think?
You were wrong then and you're also wrong now on a completely different front...let's call a spade a spade. Until AZ plays in an official match against the latest version of Stockfish, not just some informal games tacked onto their Stockfish 8/9 experiment, they still are hiding the truth, just like their first backroom "experiment" . AZ proved it had +50 Elo over an early release of Stockfish 9 (Jan 2018). Stockfish 10 has a similar increase in Elo. AZ and Stockfish 10 have not had any official engagements. Stockfish 9 won numerous games as white once it was run as designed, with databases. Stockfish 10 is untested. That is the actual provable state of affairs as things sit.
"Today, Ford proved that a 1994 Taurus is the fastest car in the world...in numerous races against top of the line Formula 1 racers, the Taurus won every heat. The Formula One racers engines all died within minutes of starting, due to using 86 Octane regular gas with Techroline from Chevron, which was the conditions chosen by Ford for this demonstration. Ferrari and McLaren/Honda protested in vain that it was not fair to run the races on a closed track owned by Ford's CEO. The press hailed the results as controversial and click-worthy, and passed them right along to the public without a lick of scrutiny or understanding of what they were reporting."
Google/Alphabet got what they wanted with their press release, the mindshare of the masses. The people in the chess world and in the know in the development community know that these results are probably real, but still dubious. Ergo this quote from the Chess.com article:
"The results leave no question, once again, that AlphaZero plays some of the strongest chess in the world."
Wow, really definitive statement there.
The members of the DeepMind team that are avid Chess players have their own agenda beyond Google's corporate agenda, and so will keep attempting to aggrandize themselves by using unverifiable backroom results, until they actually have a version that flat out beats the best chess engine. Then they will emerge for a real match and let the accolades wash over them
...it's a coward's way of competing without actual risk. If they never can beat Stockfish, or some future version of Leela, or whomever it is, they will take the same out that the OP did, and claim they just didn't care enough. Until you take your rocket car to the salt flats of Utah and do an official run timed by 3rd parties, you can claim you have the fastest land vehicle 'til the cow's come home. It's just posturing.
Meanwhile, OP, your incessant arguing that the DeepMind team didn't care a whit about chess is obviously laughable at this point. They wouldn't have released more dubious claims if some one or someones on the team were not heavily invested. In Anna's visit to DeepMind, you can see this investment first hand in a clip where a DeepMind team member (who looks amazingly like the Candidate Master chess player on the team) is being told by his colleagues "you've been trying to do this for 2 years", and the giant smile on his face. Oh...and then there's the fact that Google volunteered their London HQ, where DeepMind sits a floor or two below for the London Chess Classic, coincidentally dovetailing with the timing of this press release. Nah, they never cared at all...