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Clark_757
Jul 21, 2016
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#41
Are you attacking me tomick? Oh wait I forgot, you're a London player ! LMAOO
Clark_757 wrote:
Are you attacking me tomick? Oh wait I forgot, you're a London player ! LMAOO
He would never attack you. He is just threatening a square in your territory.
Justs99171 wrote:
Candidate35 wrote:
I guess some of us don't have time to see who has learned the most theory on the latest Sicilian, Berlin, or KID lines and just want to hit a comfortable middle game with chances for both sides and play chess. The notion that using an opening system means you are lazy and unoriginal is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. If you don't like facing the London opening, adjust your move order to force the game into different lines. Or better, learn to beat it. But that might actually require being original and creative now wouldn't it.
Like in grade school, anything that is mandatory learning is going to bore and frustrate children.
I personally think the London System sucks, but I must confess that I've played it many, many times. I have no respect for anyone, as a person or chess player, that plays any of these openings exclusively: London, Colle, Tromp, KIA etc.. but all of them are nice to play against an opponent that doesn't know what to do.
Honestly, it's easier to play all of those openings combined than it is to just play main line 1.d4 openings or 1.e4 openings.
What's really disgusting are the jack ass people in yahoo chess that play nothing but the Hippo with both colors.
How dare you hate on the trompwosky and compare it to system openings! Shame on you!
Anybody that doesn't follow 1.d4 with 2.c4 is a SLACKER
I have mostly played e4, d4 with some QG, Nc3 or Nf3 as white. This conversation has convinced me to try out the ᒪᗢﬡᖙᗢﬡ ᔕ૪ᔕ♈ᙓᙢ.
Wish me luck :)
TheEinari wrote:
I have mostly played e4, d4 with some QG, Nc3 or Nf3 as white. This conversation has convinced me to try out the ᒪᗢﬡᖙᗢﬡ ᔕ૪ᔕ♈ᙓᙢ.
Wish me luck :)
Chess openings are like women. When they are easy, everybody should try them out
Clark_757 a écrit :
London system players must live a very sad life. [...] They aren't playing chess they're fooling themselves and are wasting their time as well as their opponent's
Say that to Carlsen and to Lasker. What a bunch of patzers...
The London system, as any system, most of all requires a good understanding of the position, strategical and tactical skills to be handled, rather than learning tons of variations. In my opinion, people are more likely to improve their play in the first case.
If you are angry because your hundreds of hours spent on learning your favorite openings and variations are helpless against something else like the London opening, then maybe you are the one who needs to improve himself (and an infusion to calm your nerves).
Deal with it.
Jul 22, 2016
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#50
Someone who knows lots of variations is a better chess player than someone who uses just one to avoid variations that take knowledge to handle appropriately. I think we can all agree on that. I'm not saying Magnus and Lasker don't know tons of other variations but there are players who spam this opening using it as a crutch
Jul 22, 2016
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#51
"In my opinion, people are more likely to improve their play in the first case" Lol you are clueless a lot of grandmasters recommend mixing up your openings to achieve improvement. The logic of London players boy oh boy. Just know you London loving sissies are missing out on a lot of chess playing this over and over
Jul 22, 2016
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#52
Chess skill doesn't come from memorizing move orders like in the London. If I throw a random position at you, you should know how to handle it even if it's not a London position (sorry time for reality). That's what defines ones chess skills
Merovwig wrote:
Clark_757 a écrit :
London system players must live a very sad life. [...] They aren't playing chess they're fooling themselves and are wasting their time as well as their opponent's
Say that to Carlsen and to Lasker. What a bunch of patzers...
The London system, as any system, most of all requires a good understanding of the position, strategical and tactical skills to be handled, rather than learning tons of variations. In my opinion, people are more likely to improve their play in the first case.
If you are angry because your hundreds of hours spent on learning your favorite openings and variations are helpless against something else like the London opening, then maybe you are the one who needs to improve himself (and an infusion to calm your nerves).
Deal with it.
This is just trash talk.
1) I'm not a London player
2) I don't agree on "Someone who knows lots of variations is a better chess player than someone who uses just one to avoid variations that take knowledge to handle appropriately".
It's about relying on general principles, strategical and tactical skills rather than dumbly reciting variations.
Maybe these given variations need knowledge to be handled, but if you struggle when you are putting out of them then you have a lack of -understanding- and that's where a good London player would still be a better chess player than you in a totally unknown position.
So, maybe -you- should work on it instead of being a sore loser (notice that you can stop being bitter even without chess improvement). ;)
Justs99171 a écrit :
This is just trash talk.
Thank you for this kind and constructive intervention. That's so brilliant, it makes me blind. :)
People who play the London System exclusively do so to evade their oppponent's opening prep. This doesn't prove the opponent to be a lesser player. That's just idiotic.
The London System can be prepared just like any other opening. If you play the London System and win, it doesn't mean you're a better player; it means your opponent wasn't prepared for it like he or she was for whatever opening it is that they play.
If someone plays the London System and wins, it's probably because they know it better than their opponet. If they know it better than their opponents, it's probably because their opponent spent countless hours studying something else while the London System guy studied the London System and the London System only.
The London System is just a set up that white can play with total disregard for what black does. This is why all players should learn it.
Jul 22, 2016
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#57
What's there to understand ? You play d4, Bf4 , e3 , nc3, bd3, nd2, and make your little passive pawn chain. Congrats you are a genius for putting your pieces on squares
This whole thread is nonsense lol
Jul 22, 2016
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#59
Yes because someone who plays the same nonsense repeatedly will have a better understanding of a random variation even though I'm more likely to have already encountered this type of stuff because my openings go more in depth. Makes total sense. I'm done I can't
Jul 22, 2016
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#60
London System is probably a good opening to use precisely because the immediate reaction of a lot of Black players, demonstrated by this thread and others I've seen, is 'oh this is boring, dull etc'. This attitude is not conducive to playing the position well and finding your plans and possibilities.