My guess, and it's only a guess, is that grandmasters probably have a lower than average iq.
That'd hilariously stupid.
Try a little harder at being intellectually respectable... I mean really.
Agreed. Being a grandmaster may not be as rewarding as other professions, but seeing as there are only about 1600 GMs in the world, the work, effort, and intellect required is far more demanding.
Pondisoulenso wrote:
The average IQ of chess grandmasters seems to be around 130
Incorrect.
Among super GMs, that statistic may be accurate, but otherwise, that is an outrageous statistic, yes.
It "may be correct"
--is a pathetically low bar.
Of course it "may be correct"
Just like it "may be correct" that the sun wont rise tomorrow.
GTFOutta here what that BS.
Not necessarily. Kasparov, widely regarded as the greatest chess player of all time, received a score of 135 on his IQ test if a comment I read earlier on this thread is correct.
So you're using Kasaprov... a candidate for not only the greatest of his generation (which would already be something like 6 or 7 standard deviations) but the greatest of all time to argue for what's average.
You're an idiot.
By the way, I'm usually the one on these forums who has to remind the monkeys that Der Spiegel gave Kasparov a real IQ test and this IQ was measured in the 130s.
My guess, and it's only a guess, is that grandmasters probably have a lower than average iq.
That'd hilariously stupid.
Try a little harder at being intellectually respectable... I mean really.
Agreed. Being a grandmaster may not be as rewarding as other professions, but seeing as there are only about 1600 GMs in the world, the work, effort, and intellect required is far more demanding.
Eh, GM isn't a high bar. Karjakin reached it before the age of 13... and if his IQ is 180 that means at 13 years old he was as smart as an adult...
... which means GM is achievable by those with an average adult-level intelligence.
What seems to be more useful than intelligence is starting young and doing systematic work for years. Chess has very little to do with intelligence... and every GM I've seen asked about this in an interview has said the same thing.
So you're using Kasaprov... a candidate for not only the greatest of his generation (which would already be something like 6 or 7 standard deviations) but the greatest of all time to argue for what's average.
You're an idiot.
By the way, I'm usually the one on these forums who has to remind the monkeys that Der Spiegel gave Kasparov a real IQ test and this IQ was measured in the 130s.
No, I'm afraid you misunderstood my comment. I was implying that if a player as great as Kasparov only scored an IQ of 135 on his test (not saying that 135 is low; it is a great score of course), then other super-grandmasters (excluding extreme geniuses such as Carlsen or Anand obviously) may very well have a score lower than that, perhaps in the 120s or so.
Well, Kasparov's work ethic is in a class of its own, topped perhaps only by Fischer.
So comparing him to average GMs (and even other world champions) is bad for that reason too.
Well, Kasparov's work ethic is in a class of its own, topped perhaps only by Fischer.
So comparing him to average GMs (and even other world champions) is bad for that reason too.
I was comparing him to Super GMs, not average GMs. We both agreed that an average IQ of 130 among all grandmasters in the world was ridiculous.
I have no idea what the average IQ of GMs would be.
I'm guessing above 100 because from experience solving complex chess problems loads on working memory pretty heavily, which also helps explain why the average age of the top 10 players is currently the young age of 29 years old (IIRC).
There's also the fact I.Q. isn't a good measure of intelligence. There's also the question of "what is intelligence?". It's entirely possible the multiple intelligence theory is true, with logical-mathematical intelligence only being one of many.
Intelligence is the ability to accurately interpret, manipulate and use the environment in novel ways.
A definition of intelligence is also relative. If you know the multiple intelligence theory, your definition doesn't always apply.
"Men of genius themselves were great only by bringing all of their power to bear on the point on which they had decided to show their full measure." - Antonin-Dalmace Sertillanges
Sums up your point quite well.
At 60 mph, a car travels 44 feet in that time, which is 15 yards or about 14 metres. If it there were a delay of half a second we'd all be dead.
That's because the action is subconscious. The consciousness of the action is conscious and takes another half second. Everyone starts off reacting slowly, because initially reactions are conscious - it takes time to develop the subconscious "wiring".
I was diagnosed with alzheimers but am at least master level at chess.
In general strong chess players have very good spatial and a good memory and this will bring up their IQ points a little. PATRIOT is simply incorrect that strong chess players have a lower than average IQ.
I was diagnosed with alzheimers but am at least master level at chess.
Quoting for posterity.
I was diagnosed with alzheimers but am at least master level at chess.
In general strong chess players have very good spatial and a good memory and this will bring up their IQ points a little. PATRIOT is simply incorrect that strong chess players have a lower than average IQ.
Yikes. I thought playing chess would prevent Alzheimer's.
The average IQ of chess grandmasters seems to be around 130 or so, at least from what I have seen on the subject (if you have additional data on this, please feel free to post it).
That's the dumbest thing I've read in my life.
There's my "additional data."
I was diagnosed with alzheimers but am at least master level at chess.
Play me OTB... you wont do well.
Look, I don't mean any disrespect. In 30 years you'll be long dead, and I'll be an old man close to death. We're all headed the same way, both pauper and prince, but if you want to claim you're currently master level, I'll call b u l l s h i t.
Pondisoulenso wrote:
The average IQ of chess grandmasters seems to be around 130
Incorrect.
Among super GMs, that statistic may be accurate, but otherwise, that is an outrageous statistic, yes.
It "may be correct"
--is a pathetically low bar.
Of course it "may be correct"
Just like it "may be correct" that the sun wont rise tomorrow.
GTFOutta here what that BS.