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N-k5

Sep 11, 2010

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Haha, I don't care if people know what I play. If they try and dodge it with silly systems, I'll take what often turns into immediate equality with no qualms, and I'm more than willing to engage in a theoretical duel in any opening.

If black knows what they're doing in the Dragon, it's hard for White to emerge with a clean small advantage. Opening the h-file sac sac mate is a great way to punish Black's errors, but that strategy's way too naive against the Soltis to expect easy wins. I feel that white should be slightly better in the KID, but it's definitely playable as black. Huge positional and tactical battles arise from the position, and the better player has many opportunities to win.

It's easy to get crushed from one side in the Dragon/KID against 2300+ players because the positions are so sharp, one mistake can cost you the game. I'm curious as to which variation of the Sicilian gives you an easier game vs FM/IMs: the Najdorf is just as theoretical and crazy, the Sveshnikov's not so wonderful, and the Scheveningen leads to cramping everywhere. Perhaps the Kan/Taimanov/etc, but White should have a comfortable game in those variations as well. I just switch to 1...e5.

electricpawn

Sep 11, 2010

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#22

I switched from the sicilian to e5 for those reasons. Still learning all the e5 stuff, but I like it.

Conflagration_Planet

Sep 11, 2010

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#23

Slaughtered, you mean.

electricpawn

Sep 11, 2010

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#24

woodshover wrote:

Slaughtered, you mean.

Actually my results have been pretty good. Just have to learn the Ponziani and some other infrequently played systems better. I already played 1. e4 as white, so I knew the Ruy Lopez pretty well and had learned some lines in the King's Gambit. I had to decide what to play against the Guioco Piano, and I wasn't enthusiastic about 3 ...Bc5, so I'm trying to learn the Two Knights. I had a draw against a higher rated player and won a correspondence game, but I have mostly been getting slaughtered with that opening.

Elubas

Sep 11, 2010

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#25

sparenone wrote:

No look in the fourms about the Sicilian they convinced me. If you have proof against them post it. I want to know how i can use the Dragonon Variation and win. I have been at it for over 6 months and gave up and used other Variations of the Sicilian i found here.

And far as the King indian defense i am serious. Look at the set up. Take out your chess board and look at the first 10-14 moves and will see that the queen side is the only can success and consistantly land a good campaign against black. This old info. It is a book i have when i was in college and love the Kid. I will use it in a minute against a weak opponent and watch out for a queen side attack. But never against a 2100+ rank player at any site.

The King's Indian is so soft on the queen side. It is found in many books how to exploit inferior play. This guy must use a variation that players think is the kid.

Calm down, lol.

From a superficial point of view, you're actually quite right. Indeed the q side attack is much faster than the kingside attack. But! A queenside assault may win material but does not end the game, while a successful kingside attack generally results in either forced mate or heavy material gain... so I wouldn't mind if it took a few more moves to achieve!

The KID (well in some lines. In fact personally I prefer more sedate lines in this opening), sort of like the dragon, feature black living on the edge, yet to actually refute the opening... well even in 25+ moves in some variations it still hasn't been done!

orangehonda

Sep 12, 2010

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#26

sparenone wrote:

Hey if you gain a pawn attacking the Queen side of the King's Indian Defense , we all know what has been said about a pawn advantage that it could be enough to win the game. The thing is that when you attack that q-side well what happens that great King side defense disappears.

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Have you heard of Barry Sanders the most elusive RB ever. They would chase him and nobody could really get their hands on him. So they finally figured out how to stop him by staying in their lanes. Well take the KID out of its lanes and bam it just a sub par defense attack it simutaneous from the q side and diagonally then work your way to a straight onslaught and its lights out on a consistant bases.

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There are so many strategies illustrated in my book about how to crush it. LFAO hey if it works for you here or wherever dont try to fix it. Congradulations you found some suckers. And by the way about Bobby, he put on some serious clinics how to crush the King's indian head on. He would just tear that thing up piece by piece. I have chapters after chapters how to mutilate that fian bishop. I tried to use a fian bishop here and they must have saw the current GM crushing it. I saw it coming and moved out of the way. The current GMs have went to the past strategy how to devour that. Check your chess history. Mum is the word on it with the current GMs. Look it up in the old chess books on inferior play it will hit you right in the face.

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Besides i think you use a variation that may look like the KID, I have seen them, you use it to confuse your oppponent and they get happy and fall into your trap.

Their are too many that look like the KID but are not the KID. I am starting to sense some deception on your part.

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The world class players that still throw out the KID all the time would probably be interested in your deep knowledge of this opening. I mean, Kasparov played this defense for years, but I guess the author of your mythical book learned from Kasparov's opponent's mistakes, and has once and for all refuted the KID.

orangehonda

Sep 12, 2010

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#27

sparenone wrote:

orange honda you cant sit here and tell me honestly that the KID has its only weak spot on the queen side. I did say i was a fan of KID until about the late 1990's.

Lets clear this up their are defenses that look like the KID which makes a opponent back up and not be so happy to attack that queen side. But if that opponent knows it is coming you better have some tissue with you and some sleeping pills to help you sleep good that night.

I will pull it out myself if i think my opponent is playing sloppy. The King side of the KID is like the borg "Resistance is futile" by the time you get thru the King side well you could end up checkmated before you achieve that goal. It could be done but not consistantly.

On the issue of attacking in the middle well Black can just be patient it would be like duck season.

On the issue of the Queen side ow it is so sweet. Now to throw off people that know you use it and to counter any idea they have about attacking the Queen side just starting using other defenses that are similiar to it. There are many Defenses that have been created for just this purpose. Go check your history how this evolved that is the only reason why you see GM's using it today.

It may surprise you to know that many openings (especially ones with locked centers) have clear plans for both sides. If even I know this imagine the depth of knowledge titled players have about their openings. That the KID gives white play on the queenside is the most fundamental and basic knowledge held about that opening and shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who plays it. I'm not saying that's all you know about the KID, but you keep repeating that white has queenside play as if it's a revelation.

When two experienced players meet, they understand what each side will try to play for. It isn't a death blow to "let your opponent know" what opening you're playing... good players know the ideas contained in their openings and the winner is the one with better technique, tactics, etc. At the amateur level it may make you feel safe knowing a general idea about an opening that your opponent doesn't know, but in higher level chess both players know fully these basic things.

Part of the fun/beauty/frustration of chess is the battle of ideas on the board. In the KID those ideas are very plain to see, but that doesn't make it a bad opening. In fact, instead of being so simple, it's heavy in theory and a very sharp opening to play. Of course I would say that white's play will come on the queenside in a typical KID. I would ask you if you really think the KID is an obscure or inferior opening? If you really think so maybe you're the one who should look it up :)

NM TheOldReb

Sep 12, 2010

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The KID is ok , it has served me well especially here on chess.com. Such great players as Fischer, Kasparov, Geller, Gligoric, Spassky cannot all be wrong ! The reason it isnt popular today is that its too risky for today's safety/first draw prone top players....

Elubas

Sep 12, 2010

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#29

sparenone wrote:

Hey if you gain a pawn attacking the Queen side of the King's Indian Defense , we all know what has been said about a pawn advantage that it could be enough to win the game. The thing is that when you attack that q-side well what happens that great King side defense disappears.

I stopped reading after this interesting statement. My question is how do you figure? If you win a pawn the kingside attack is still going. True, now neutralizing the kingside attack will win for you, but that doesn't happen immediately after you win a pawn! You would certainly need to shore up the defences, or perhaps promote one of your pawns to a queen to distract black a little better

Mathematicus

Sep 22, 2010

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#30

panderson2 wrote:

Because Rybka and Fritz are the best chessplayer in the world even GMs say that

even to draw vs them would be a challenge.

They're not chess players, just computers. If we took their strength into account, there would be no need for humans to play. What i'm trying to say is that machines > humans so you can't really compare them

tijekote

Jan 28, 2011

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#31

guys guys : dont forget that chess is game of mistakes so, u dont have to blame that champion for this perfect game he played