Major problem with Anand - Carlsen match

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Tal1949 wrote:

The WC matches should be first to three wins in front wins the match. ie 3-0, 4-1, 5-2 etc

The other rule should be seven draws in a row stops the match at that point. The player who leads at that point wins the series. If wins are tied the champion keeps the title.

Anand would strive even harder to draw every game. He only has to draw the first seven games to keep the title. What a huge advantage for the incumbent!

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Tal1949 wrote:

The WC matches should be first to three wins in front wins the match. ie 3-0, 4-1, 5-2 etc

The other rule should be seven draws in a row stops the match at that point. The player who leads at that point wins the series. If wins are tied the champion keeps the title.

Kind of liked that idea but not by 3 but by 2 pts instead with 24 games.

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Sixteen games would be better than twelve. Last time they did that, however, there were fourteen draws. Kasparov was one of the contestants.

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Indian fans are having a first hand experience of Carlsen's famous fighting spirit, energy and ability to grind opponent :)

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The World is having first hand experience of Aging Anand pre plan cowardice of playing for draws!

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royalbishop wrote:

The World is having first hand experience of Aging Anand pre plan cowardice of playing for draws!

lol @ cowardice

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sapientdust wrote:

I fear that five years of age may be too low. It could cause serious trauma to a fragile, developing psyche. The real problem with children is that many won't have children, and if you use other family members, you run into the problem of (for example) Carlsen not caring about his sister as much as Anand cares about his child or wife, ....

I'm willing to raise the age to seven, just to show I'm fair.  These players are supposed to be professionals, they need to be indifferent to caring about sisters and wives.  The main thing is that maximum pressure needs to be brought to avoid draws, not to mention the equalizing factor to give an advantage to older masters who are more likely to have children and grandchildren, thus compensating for their aging brains. No, water boarding is too good for these drawing slackers.  As you say it isn't even torture according to the gov'mint. Top level chess should be torture.

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I would say that both players have to be quicker on the draw. But then again that is the problem itself.

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rishi2377 wrote:
royalbishop wrote:

The World is having first hand experience of Aging Anand pre plan cowardice of playing for draws!

no Anand is not and he can not be defeated!

The "Anand Era" will come to an end! Sooner and not later.

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I will be selling Pink frames of Anand pic showing him crushed after he lost and Carlsen is champion.

The will be free. No better than that i will give you money, chess set, books, party, food, drink, music and awards to go with it. All free.

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Sure some site will have the Anand dart board and it will come free with the purchase of some chess merchandise. That should produce endless hours of play.

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royalbishop wrote:
rishi2377 wrote:
royalbishop wrote:

The World is having first hand experience of Aging Anand pre plan cowardice of playing for draws!

no Anand is not and he can not be defeated!

The "Anand Era" will come to an end! Sooner and not later.

I am no fan of Anand nor Carlsen, and still not one. But I agree, with these boring games, I would like to see "Anand Era" come to en end. End of boring games and players.

But then again Carlsen is also a type of boring person and player. So, someone will bring to an end of Carlsen in afew years.

The sooner "Anand Era" ends, the better it is for chess community.

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timepass12345 wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:

It's the first world chess championship match I've ever seen, and I didn't realize there would be draws.

 

You must be aware that draws are quite a common occurence in master or GM games. Though they may not be so common in games between amateurs. Media sensationalism by media persons who probably don't even know the rules of chess is the reason why some people feel negatively about this. There is another thread where this topic is discussed extensively- http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/the-quotdrawquot-deserves-a-better-reputation .

Nothing gets past you.  

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bean_Fischer wrote:
royalbishop wrote:
rishi2377 wrote:
royalbishop wrote:

The World is having first hand experience of Aging Anand pre plan cowardice of playing for draws!

no Anand is not and he can not be defeated!

The "Anand Era" will come to an end! Sooner and not later.

I am no fan of Anand nor Carlsen, and still not one. But I agree, with these boring games, I would like to see "Anand Era" come to en end. End of boring games and players.

But then again Carlsen is also a type of boring person and player. So, someone will bring to an end of Carlsen in afew years.

The sooner "Anand Era" ends, the better it is for chess community.

See you can not teach an Old Dog (anand) new tricks. With Carlsen their is an option for him to change as he is still young.

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weepingking wrote:

How about a financial incentive?  For each drawn game, the purses are reduced by 10%. Perhaps that would kickstart competitors into going for a win. Or, if the number of drawn games reaches a total of half the games scheduled, the match is terminated; the title is vacated; and both players are banned from competing for the title for a period of 3-5 yrs. 

That's the most stupid thing I have ever heard. These guys play fenomenal, high-quality chess. It's very difficult for them to outplay each other. It's not just that they like to play it safe and cowardly. Actually, Carlsen is very brave as a chess player and he's always playing to win.

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timepass12345 wrote:
bean_Fischer wrote:
royalbishop wrote:
rishi2377 wrote:
royalbishop wrote:

The World is having first hand experience of Aging Anand pre plan cowardice of playing for draws!

no Anand is not and he can not be defeated!

The "Anand Era" will come to an end! Sooner and not later.

I am no fan of Anand nor Carlsen, and still not one. But I agree, with these boring games, I would like to see "Anand Era" come to en end. End of boring games and players.

But then again Carlsen is also a type of boring person and player. So, someone will bring to an end of Carlsen in afew years.

The sooner "Anand Era" ends, the better it is for chess community.

Chess is not a game played in passion but rather one of cool calculated thinking. If you think it is played in passion, you are in the wrong sport.

And neither is it part of the entertainment industry. If you want to be entertained with wild crazy matches, you are better off watching WWF wrestling. A good player would strive to win the match, which does not necessarily mean winning each and every game in the match. A good player wouldn't care about entertaining the spectators.

Blaming Anand for the draw is not correct. It is unlikely that the opposing player,Carlsen didn't see the draw coming and could have averted the draw for eg. by playing c6. The fact that he was unwilling to do so indicates that he was bent on playing some particular line which he had extensively prepared for, and you can't blame Anand for not wanting to walk into that trap.

And, sorry to upset your dreams, but the Anand era has only just begun!

Bring your checking account and your ATM card to my city

and you will quickly change your mind. I must live in one of the top 100 competitve cities in the world. Passion is in almost everything and not limited to my city or state. It is in my part of the country. Our passion is so great even in when others mail it in by nature we think there must be a way to still win and not draw.

I know a celebrity that said says it best.

 " Failure is not an option " Charlie Sheen

They wroter his career off and now he is even bigger than ever.

 

On your matter of entertaing the spectators. Wrong again. You must be playing with the parrot. Take out a board in the park in almost any city and a crowd will appear out of nowhere slowly. Give it time and somebody is talking smack. Where there is smack talk there is an ego. With the ego brings "Showtime at the Apollo". Players i know started off because we either crushed our opponents early on or were crushed and wanted some pay back.

Remember you did not say great player! A flaw in your process. I know many good players here on chess.com that will tell a couple players how they destroyed a player or destroyed the other team in a Team Match or Vote Chess. So your theory and that is what is has flaws in it my friend.

On Anand i am blaming him for the draw. History shows he did it recently. Cowards are like that as they live a thousand deaths. I was a draw master when i first learned chess. That was when i was in high school and made many mistakes in games and hated losing. When i became better i hate draws more than i hate losing. It just says a blown chance to win the game.

We need Carlsen to not only win but crush Aging Anand as others will follow this method against a stronger player. The Old Man time has come and he is showing it. Time for the Golden Wiz Kid Carlsen Era!

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Maybe applying the sophia rule would help...

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They ARE using the Sophia rule. 

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SmyslovFan wrote:

They ARE using the Sophia rule. 

See .... i am not going to say a word....

Hahahahahahaha........ hehehehehehehehehe.....