Master over....30!?

Someone posting here is living proof that gaining a FM title doesn't mean that a person actually has brains...

This should answer a question on another thread, could an average (or below average) person become a master?

I think that we have living proof that it is indeed possible - and thanks <FM Rumo75> for providing it. 

Instead of throwing temper tantrums you might consider proving yourself at the chessboard. Work on chess and become International Master at a late age! Prove that it can be done!

Instead you just talk. You are sure that you can do it. Just like that Backyard Professor was sure he could reach Master. Fact is that this doesn't happen. A player who is rated 2000 as an adult doesn't become 2400 by working hard. I can think of a rare case where a 2350 rated FM in his thirties became a 2450 rated IM by working hard. Extremely unusual, and there were cheating allegations, but apparently that's possible. Chess is not a music instrument, it's a competitive sport. Aquiring some knowledge and understanding is not enough to become better at a certain point. Add a certain age, and it won't even keep you from declining. There are limitations for the human brain, just like there are limitations for the human body. And the truth is that Solskytz's chances of becoming a grandmaster equal his chances of winning Wimbledon or an Olympic gold medal on the 100m distance.

Before preaching to others, you should take responsibility for your own temper tantrums - and I quote: "Including someone of grandfather age who likes the delusion that he could become a grandmaster." - this must have been a reference to me because I can't see another option. 

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I'm not going for Wimbledon and 100m isn't my thing. 

I'm also not out to prove anything to anybody. 

Chess is indeed a competitive sport - but I'm sure improvement is there and is available. 

Right now IM is not an objective for me - but CM is. My target date for that is February 2019. 

And yes, I'm working on my chess - with the limitations of time available... 

BTW and for the record - I won't become a grandfather anytime soon, in all likelihood. I have one daughter and she'll be twelve in August. 

+1

And I liked "extremely improbable" which means that the chance is there, however slight...

It's really difficult to start from scratch after thirty and become a master - I don't know if it was ever done...

It's very dangerous to have more than one queen on the board - especially in zeitnot... stalemate could very well result. 

But eight queens? Then why not a ninth?

Ouch!!!

You're joking, right? If he was a casual 1800 who suddenly decided to get some good training out of nowhere and study often and regularly then he should be improving 400 points without much of a problem. Saying that this scenario is a long shot is ridiculous.

He didn't say that - he only said that chances are against him because most people don't become masters. 

Rumo75 wrote:

solskytz hat geschrieben:

Someone posting here is living proof that gaining a FM title doesn't mean that a person actually has brains...

This should answer a question on another thread, could an average (or below average) person become a master?

I think that we have living proof that it is indeed possible - and thanks for providing it. 

Instead of throwing temper tantrums you might consider proving yourself at the chessboard. Work on chess and become International Master at a late age! Prove that it can be done!

Instead you just talk. You are sure that you can do it. Just like that Backyard Professor was sure he could reach Master. Fact is that this doesn't happen. A player who is rated 2000 as an adult doesn't become 2400 by working hard. I can think of a rare case where a 2350 rated FM in his thirties became a 2450 rated IM by working hard. Extremely unusual, and there were cheating allegations, but apparently that's possible. Chess is not a music instrument, it's a competitive sport. Aquiring some knowledge and understanding is not enough to become better at a certain point. Add a certain age, and it won't even keep you from declining. There are limitations for the human brain, just like there are limitations for the human body. And the truth is that Solskytz's chances of becoming a grandmaster equal his chances of winning Wimbledon or an Olympic gold medal on the 100m distance.

All I want to say is don't get discouraged by what these guys say. Everyone has the potential to become a master. Only sincere efforts in the right direction are needed. I know these type of guys. They always spout bullshit.

Everything is possible.

If the answer is no, or unlikely...be the great exception, or one amongst a small pool. 

For what it's worth, I made master at age 48. I had reached 2100+ by my early 20's, then I took a 20-year break from chess before deciding I had unfinished business.

I feel that if I devoted myself to seriously studying chess, I might eventually be able to become an IM, but I don't have the drive to study that hard. Chess is a game, I play it for fun - and the reason I quit the first time was because I recognized that I'd have to work at it in order to improve.  

This is a 'tread likely' topic for the simple reasons I don't feel the need to point out. I will keep my opinion shut.

The great modern artist, Marcel Duchamp, didn't start playing chess seriously until his thirties. He earned the title of master in the 1925 French Championship with a score of 3-3 at the age of 38.

Reaching master level at thirty or older is definitely attainable.

Most adults, though, are busy with things like careers, relationships, and raising children—so they don't have as much time to study and play chess as younger people do, thus making it harder to improve.

But it's certainly possible.

I just need to say that I don't agree with any of the idiots here saying that you can achieve anything if you put you mind to it. What nonesense that is. The regurgitated words of moronic brainwashed talentless sheep.

This (the OP) is very achievable if the person in question has the right mind for it. It will not be achievable for most of the morons that spout the type of nonesense above.

They don't mean it literally you garbage-posting idiot.

Also you have absolute zero ability to determine a chess player's strength from their non-chess posts.  

Frankly #41 is nonsense