Men's and women's chess should not be seperated

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premio53
B1ZMARK wrote:

To be honest, most chess tournaments have men and women play together. This isn’t really an issue.

You are absolutely correct when it comes to the lower levels of chess. The issue has to do with the upper levels of chess and the lower expectations of women reaching the higher levels. In a recent tournament where GM Daniel Naroditsky was one of the hosts he was commenting on the young talent Alice Lee becoming the youngest IM in US Chess history and talking about what a bright future she had in "women's chess." Of course she was playing against only other women instead of the open section and it was a given she would never compete seriously against men. That is the problem Judit Polgar has with "women's titles."

Men may have a more natural interest in chess because of testosterone drive and if that is the case it doesn't mean that women aren't as smart as men any more than men playing linebacker in the NFL proves men have more worth than women.

The problem is chess is perceived as a test to show self-worth. Strong chess players simply play chess better than weaker chess players. If women don't show the same interest in chess then don't try to artificially force them into engaging in activities to support an agenda. If there is no difference in the ability to play chess between men and women then get rid of these separate titles and let them compete head on. Quit using chess to attack men. Once again, Judit Polgar proved what women can accomplish if they don't limit themselves to running after "women's titles."

MRIsaacRich14
jaded-lethargic wrote:

Continue to amuse me. I'm having fun playing with the reactions I can get out of you.

ikr Im just here, with my popcorn, enjoying the show lol

sndeww

Even at top level, men and women’s chess are usually not separated. It’s just mixed and women’s only tournaments. Men only tournaments exist because no women signed up for it and/or qualified, not because they were excluded. As for why, that’s not what original question was.

mpaetz

Not so. There quite a few countries in the world with strict laws forbidding mixing the genders in public events, and there are morality police who will beat, arrest and imprison those who would allow men and women to attend sporting events together, sit in the same parts of houses of worship, or play in the same chess tournament.

sndeww

“Usually not”

slaug
There shouldn't be segregation by gender.
premio53
mpaetz wrote:

Not so. There quite a few countries in the world with strict laws forbidding mixing the genders in public events, and there are morality police who will beat, arrest and imprison those who would allow men and women to attend sporting events together, sit in the same parts of houses of worship, or play in the same chess tournament.

These same countries also ban Jewish chess players, not just in their countries but also even competing against Jews. Should we allow separate tournaments just for Jews? Many men who aren't strong enough to compete against the top male players are also banned from playing in the women's section where they would have the opportunity to win prizes. Should there be a separate tournament just for those men? Those countries that "beat, arrest and imprison those who would allow men and women to attend sporting events together, sit in the same parts of houses of worship, or play in the same chess tournament," why does FIDE even allow those countries to participate in events? Why don't you name these police state countries? Are you afraid of getting banned?

You have one of the stupidest arguments for keeping women second class players I have ever heard. All these people who want separate tournaments, prizes and titles for women all claim that it is sexist for discussing whether women can compete against men because of biological differences. If there are no differences, then stop encouraging talented players like Alice Lee and others to continue to play in segregated touranments. That is the only way they will reach their full potential. FIDE should screw those countries you described and have nothing to do with them until they become part of the civilized world.

QuarteredFOV
There is absolutely no reason men and women should be segregated in chess.
As has been brought to the conversational forefront by the increased focus on trans athletes and competition divisions, meta-analysis in sports medicine has proven aspects as fundamental as bone and muscle density differ fairly significantly between those who go through puberty as XX vs XY (not even taking into account the genetically-intersexed.)
In sports, this creates the need for additional divisions so that anyone, everyone, who wants to compete has a place to do so.
But in games like chess - lacking the physical component / athletic competition that defines sports - one could understandably assume that it was likely sexism alone that caused such division in the first place, and that ending it is already well overdue.
LITO13mtz
But why not?
LITO13mtz
Why not just have the champion of the men's league and the champion of the women's league compete in the final round ?
MRIsaacRich14

Because men and women both have the same mental capacity. It's different in sports because Men are made stronger but in chess, it is completely fair

LITO13mtz
But it doesn't really matter either way
MRIsaacRich14

Well, People here are saying that they don't think that men and women should not play together, but your right it doesn't rlly matter because women and men CAN play together anyways

LITO13mtz
It's just easier to keep it the same, that doesn't mean I'm opposed to the idea I'm just saying it's easier on the organizers
Chess_Player_lol
IsaacRich12 wrote:

Well, People here are saying that they don't think that men and women should not play together, but your right it doesn't rlly matter because women and men CAN play together anyways

yeah thats what im saying, women can play in any section they want. its just that women have a seperate section if they want to play in that. this way women have a platform in chess to be seen and it encourages other women to play chess. otherwise we wouldnt really see any women GMs playing in tourneys let alone winning any.

LITO13mtz
You're opinions are invalid
LITO13mtz
*your
mpaetz
B1ZMARK wrote: It’s just mixed and women’s only tournaments. Men only tournaments exist because no women signed up for it and/or qualified, not because they were excluded. 

Still incorrect.

LITO13mtz
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idkchess01

In an ideal world, chess wouldn't be gendered and there'd be an equal number of men and women in the sport, but the fact is that chess is a male dominated sport. Chess has always been a male dominated sport. You could say that this is because society views men as logical thinkers and problem solvers, while women are seen as more creative; the same reason why there aren't as many high-paid women in STEM.

Most women going into chess professionally may feel out of place in a male dominated tournament. A female only category helps alleviate that, as well as encouraging more women to get into the sport.