Millionare Chess Tournament in Las Vegas at October 2014

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DiogenesVC wrote:
 
Ivanov was not a "top 10 in the world" hacker.  He was a chump that was too stupid to just modify his cheating method to not always use the T1 move (i.e. top result).  If he had done that, he might never have been detected.

There are tens of thousands of people with the skills to do this if they wanted to take the time to set it all up and then train themselves to work their smartphone with their toes. 

I was talking about being able to cheat without getting caught game after game. Its not about developing a mobile app. Its about the whole package, develop a program and use it in a way so taht you dont get caught and use it frequently. You can have a chess app in your mobile but how will that help you to use it when you are playing? Are you planning to go to restroom freuqnetly and turn on the app, setup  the position, see what the engine suggests and then come back again? After few moves you go again and repeat it? Can't do that. Because the whole game is G/45 and at a later stage G/25. So when are you going to make your moves? Secondly, going to restroom several times will make you suspicious to the TDs. Thirdly, there are other ways of identifying and catching cheaters - the ways that people with your and my knowledge wont know and the organizers wont disclose. Just simply rely on the fact that cheating wont be a profitable or viable venture in this tournament.

If you think your program will be in your shoe and you can voice activate or inactivate it for short period of time or by some presses in your wrist watch etc, well the MC security team might be using metal detector before you enter the playing hall. Think out a way to cheat and let me help you explain why its not going to work. This is why I say you need to be one of the top 10 hackers in the world, because those guys - will be able to think out someting that no one can think of.

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SocialPanda wrote:

Still 91 registered players, but maybe they are not updating immediatly and are just waiting for a new bunch of people to register to publish a new list.

why would they do that? It doesn't make any sense to me, there have only been 91 registered players for over a month now or even more. I think this tournament is just going to be 1-hit wonder and then dissapear forever.

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jonesmurphy wrote:

Best of luck beating Vegas-level security with your Hiarcs shoe!

If you think "Vegas-level security" is foolproof, you have a lot to learn.

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SocialPanda wrote:

Still 91 registered players, but maybe they are not updating immediatly and are just waiting for a new bunch of people to register to publish a new list.

They update the registration list on the 15th of the month.  

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This stays in Vegas

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Irontiger if you believe what you're saying and you don't show up to get the $100k top prize, you're a moron.

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jonesmurphy wrote:

Irontiger if you believe what you're saying and you don't show up to get the $100k top prize, you're a moron.

Do you think that somebody is being a moron for not cheating when they have the opportunity to do it?

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SocialPanda wrote:
jonesmurphy wrote:

Irontiger if you believe what you're saying and you don't show up to get the $100k top prize, you're a moron.

Do you think that somebody is being a moron for not cheating when they have the opportunity to do it?

Not to mention the assumption than knowledge of how to do it = opportunity.

I know how to deal cards from the bottom of the deck without being noticed, but it doesn't mean I would try it at a poker game held by the mafia.

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Irontiger wrote:
SocialPanda wrote:
jonesmurphy wrote:

Irontiger if you believe what you're saying and you don't show up to get the $100k top prize, you're a moron.

Do you think that somebody is being a moron for not cheating when they have the opportunity to do it?

Not to mention the assumption than knowledge of how to do it = opportunity.

I know how to deal cards from the bottom of the deck without being noticed, but it doesn't mean I would try it at a poker game held by the mafia.

Subtle analogy.

I have no clue why this tournament has got so many people on this site upset. Either play in it or don't. What motives and cues for passion do these people have that they attack the organizers so vehemently.

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Since chess normally pays ziltch, this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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SmyslovFan wrote:
Irontiger wrote:
SocialPanda wrote:
jonesmurphy wrote:

Irontiger if you believe what you're saying and you don't show up to get the $100k top prize, you're a moron.

Do you think that somebody is being a moron for not cheating when they have the opportunity to do it?

Not to mention the assumption than knowledge of how to do it = opportunity.

I know how to deal cards from the bottom of the deck without being noticed, but it doesn't mean I would try it at a poker game held by the mafia.

Subtle analogy.

I have no clue why this tournament has got so many people on this site upset. Either play in it or don't. What motives and cues for passion do these people have that they attack the organizers so vehemently.

The animosity is more towards the people acting like this is going to change chess. 

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The animosity is more towards the people acting like this is going to change chess.

@BMeck, are you very happy with the current state of chess! Does it not need significant improvement? If yes, then the change needs to start somewhere. Its a long process... one company or a few tournaments can't make the change. But it can start....


What about read IM Akshat Chandra's facebook page update today?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/QuestToGMcom/566599270090852

Funding a Quest!


Chess is one of the sports that is hard to fund and find sponsors for. It lacks the global awareness and treatment that more popular sports receive, such as basketball, soccer, and tennis. In the US, Federal and State governments grants are not part of the culture here. Young and strong emerging players in countries like Russia, India and China have an advantage, since chess is state supported to some extent, directly or through government owned companies, and there is much more corporate sponsorship thus allowing players to benefit from training and tournament experience.

But players in United States don’t have such an option. So where do the young players go to fund their Quest to become outstanding chess players. There is no Federation help, and there are obviously no Sports grants.

Well, we don’t give up. We lean on our parents. We lean on our well-wishers. We knock on doors, and try to persuade people who can relate to a hard Quest to support it. That’s how we do it. One square at a time.

I’ve demonstrated a strong pace of progress in the last 4 years, and I intend to work very hard to get to the end. As I embark on the final leg of my Quest, for the first time I’m trying to raise donor funds to help me catapult to the GM title. With your help I’ll get there even faster. Thanks for your support!

If someone wishes to talk about sponsorship opportunities, please write to me at Akshat (at) QuestToGM (dotcom).

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     Chinese fortune cookie:  "the more you say the less they remember"        

put all you say into a haiku

 

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ashikuzzaman wrote:

>>
The animosity is more towards the people acting like this is going to change chess.

@BMeck, are you very happy with the current state of chess! Does it not need significant improvement? If yes, then the change needs to start somewhere. Its a long process... one company or a few tournaments can't make the change. But it can start....


What about read IM Akshat Chandra's facebook page update today?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/QuestToGMcom/566599270090852

Funding a Quest!


Chess is one of the sports that is hard to fund and find sponsors for. It lacks the global awareness and treatment that more popular sports receive, such as basketball, soccer, and tennis. In the US, Federal and State governments grants are not part of the culture here. Young and strong emerging players in countries like Russia, India and China have an advantage, since chess is state supported to some extent, directly or through government owned companies, and there is much more corporate sponsorship thus allowing players to benefit from training and tournament experience.

But players in United States don’t have such an option. So where do the young players go to fund their Quest to become outstanding chess players. There is no Federation help, and there are obviously no Sports grants.

Well, we don’t give up. We lean on our parents. We lean on our well-wishers. We knock on doors, and try to persuade people who can relate to a hard Quest to support it. That’s how we do it. One square at a time.

I’ve demonstrated a strong pace of progress in the last 4 years, and I intend to work very hard to get to the end. As I embark on the final leg of my Quest, for the first time I’m trying to raise donor funds to help me catapult to the GM title. With your help I’ll get there even faster. Thanks for your support!

If someone wishes to talk about sponsorship opportunities, please write to me at Akshat (at) QuestToGM (dotcom).

Once again I say, the idea of the tournament isnt bad but the execution is. This tournament is geared towards older players, or players whose parents are willing to shell out that much money. I am 18 and I believe I speak for most 18-25 yr olds in saying that we cant spend that much money on a hobby at one time. I would think not many people in general can and so far I have been right.... My point, why go for gold right away? Start with an entry fee of maybe $200-300 then work up as the years pass. Maybe I will eat my words in a few months but I doubt it since the entry fee will double. You will only get professionals and then it is just another tournament

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BMeck, there are tnmts out there with $200-$300 entry fees. You are free to join those. 

This one has a larger entry fee and larger pay out. If you don't like it, you don't have to play in it. 

The great thing about market economics is that the market decides whether a tournament such as this is a good idea.

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Beck, I get your point. But just another tournament with 200-300 dollars entry fee is not going to give you anything new in the chess world. There are plenty of those already. That's not the market that MC is targetting. Just like in car market, despite excellent Honda and Toyota cars, there is a market for high priced hihg maintenance BMW, same is what MC team believes are there in chess world. Its just that you and me might dont see it. That's the difference between us and an enterpreneur. They may end up finding the market is not ready yet. But they will be the pioneer in that market if something starts gathering. Of course we have several very large scholastic tournaments in USA already. If you are a chess parent and not a player, I can understand you would want your kid to be able to play in it. On the other hand, think about players like me at expert level, or A, B level who only see a few handful tournament the whole year where I can compete for a good prize money. My son also plays chess (he is in Junir Grand Prix standing in USA right now) and I can tell you if MC would be a scholastic focused tournament, I would not take a 1 week leave from office to join it. There are already enough good scholastic focused tournaments and prize money is not the focus on those because they are kids.

If it would be just another regular chess tournament, I bet I would not spend more than 5 minutes of my time and would only participate in it if I would not have to take leave from my office work. Here I have been spending many hours in last many months just thinking how as a chess player I can help spreading the words in the community. So you will see MC has beeen able to attract this energy only because what they have announced and committed so far. Any significant less, and this post would not have its 515th comment as of now when I am writing it. That's the buzz, whether controversial or not, MC has already generated.

All I say, is that lets leave the business viability to the enterpreneurs, and see if this tournament is a net plus in the chess world of USA or not. Yes, and definitely yes, in my view. And those of you who think there is no harm it being there, then whether you participate or not, support it morally.

Thank you. This post has served its purpose very well. Lots of enthusiastic comments from all over the places. There will always be a few harsh words, and its ok (as long as we leave within the boundary). But I have learnt view points that would take long more time to learn by talking to people over the years in different tournaments. Lets keep the ideas to support and oppose high stake tournaments keep flowing. No activity is worse than having controversial comments.

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SmyslovFan wrote:

BMeck, there are tnmts out there with $200-$300 entry fees. You are free to join those. 

This one has a larger entry fee and larger pay out. If you don't like it, you don't have to play in it. 

The great thing about market economics is that the market decides whether a tournament such as this is a good idea.

You missed my entire point

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ashikuzzaman wrote:

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The animosity is more towards the people acting like this is going to change chess.

@BMeck, are you very happy with the current state of chess! Does it not need significant improvement? If yes, then the change needs to start somewhere. Its a long process... one company or a few tournaments can't make the change. But it can start....

Seriously ?

 

"Something needs to be done. This is something. Hence, we must do it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician%27s_fallacy

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Point noted irontiger. You are acknowledging that current state of chess is not as good as it should be. However, you dont think high stake chess tournaments are the way that will improve the current state of chess. Fair enough. I do think high stake chess will improve the current state of chess significantly. So here we defer.

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  1. We must do something
  2. This is something
  3. Therefore, we must do this.

It's weird -- when I saw it on the linked article I almost thought it made sense -- that's the lazy deducer in me :) When structured in this particular way it can get confusing.

I think the problem is that (1) only makes "something" a necessary characteristic; that's why something must be done, because without it, bad things would happen. But it doesn't make "something" a sufficient characteristic. The wrong way to approach the situation will for sure be "not something," but that can be true without every "something" being a good thing. If some things to do were bad and some were good, it would still be the case that not doing anything would be bad; thus the only good scenarios are limited to "somethings," though we don't know which ones.