Modern Attack vs. Alekhine- Genuinely frightening!

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TasmanianTiger

All "Alekhiners", I need your help. How do you respond to the modern attack (4. Nf3)? What is the best line for black? I heard that 4...Bg4 is highely theoretical and I quote the author of Alekhine Alert "Why play 4...Bg4 and spend hours of time memorizing 20 moves just to still be in the game?" Is there a refutation to 4. Nf3 and if so what is it? Is the only move to stay in the game 4...Bg4? If I HAVE to play 4...Bg4, I'll do it, but it is just a last resort.

TasmanianTiger

Could someone please respond?

Tjornan

post a position or game opening and maybe it will be easier to help you. Although I am far too low rated to help you with openings :P. But then again, so are you! You may just be curious, but don't spend too much time on openings. 

Fear_ItseIf

There is no refutation of the modern.
I belive Bg4 is the main move, however g6 is another good alternative from memory, and the one recommended in that book if i remember correctly.

However I remember someone some months back (pfren?) stating that the modern attack section of the Alekhine was somewhat poorly done, so take the lines with a grain of salt.

TasmanianTiger

Thanks for the comments. Could you keep them going please?

TheGreatOogieBoogie

The modern if anything refutes the Alekhine, and only an idiot would think it has a refutation.  The Alekhine isn't refuted of course, but 4.Nf3 is white's best continuation.  

waffllemaster

I think Carlsen was playing some sideline... either 4...dxe5 or 4...Bf5 I can't remember, and he was having success.  No way is Bg4 a forced move, it's just the main line.

NimzoRoy

How many players have you come across who know the latest and greatest lines here OTB? If you wanna keep on playing the AD my advice is just start looking up every game you've played it in afterwards (win, lose or draw) and use the Game Explorer here to increase your knowledge of each line by just 1 or 2 moves deeper - or else try to figure out what was wrong with your opponents and/or your own "novelty" moves

This is not personal BUT at 1315 you have lots of other things more important to concentrate on than the latest and greatest opening theory in any opening, such as tactics, basic endgames, opening principles etc. 

BTW the great hypermodern player RIchard Reti, in his famous book "Masters of the Chessboard" advises beginners to learn open games (ie Double KP Openings whenever possible) ahead of semi-open games (ie AD, FD, SD, etc) and semi-open games ahead of closed games (Single QP Openings for example) 

http://blog.chess.com/NimzoRoy/chess-opening-principles

TasmanianTiger

@NimzoRoy, thank you, you were very helpful and informative. Is the English considered open, closed, or semi-open? Is the Dutch Leningrad considered open, closed, or semi-open?

NimzoRoy

Well of course all openings will not always follow the "general rule of thumb" but I'd say in general EO is usually closed more so than open and definitely the Leningrad Dutch is closed since it's a Single QP Opening and appears to be closely related to the KID. But there are so many variations of the EO it's hard to classify it, it's really not just an "opening" anymore than 1.e4 or 1.d4 is an "opening" it's an entire system of openings.

The general "rule of thumb" (or is that thumbs?) is:

Double KP Openings: Open (except for lots of "closed" RL Defenses!)

Single KP & Double QP Openings: Semi-Open 

Single QP Openings & "Other" Openings (in general, ie EO, Birds Opening, NimzoLarsen Attack etc): Closed