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jhbchess wrote:

Steve, do you have to do the analysis and move comparison by hand or is the process automated in some fashion?

Do you just set the engine to Full Analysis with the parameters noted or do you have to walk through using Infinite Analysis and compare?


As has been stated, I use Batch Analyzer, which was developed in 2008 for use on another site.

After several days of trial & error, I managed to get it running in Vista/W7.

The Delphi program has a 4 million game database built in & starts analysis of multiple pgn once out of book & under whatever depth/time per ply conditions you choose.

Here is the interface:

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bondocel wrote:
Fezzik wrote:

Anyone who wants to do "serious benchmark testing" must be in this special club or else they will take months and months to perform even the most basic tests. When they ask for help, they will be told, as I was by g-dog, that I need to show results first.

This is their "scientific" method. 


You understand nothing! Absolutely nothing! One can do a reliable test by hand. One game takes at most one hour.


Let's also be very clear on the distinction between asking for help (assistance with the technical details of the methodology) and asking for "help" (volunteers to whom one can delegate for assistance executing your specific implementation of the methodology).

One demands some level of credibility be built first (especially given the demands on others' time), whereas the other does not.

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goldendog wrote:

don't know why you'd think it some kind of honor to work with you on the project of your choosing in the topic of engine use detection.


Just of curiosity, why would anyone want to work on such a project? It looks to me that nothing really changed and there is no sign something good will happen in the future. Yelena Dembo was a regretable accident.

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It would have to be out of intellectual curiosity, at least for my part, as I see many of the first page residents have terrible T3 numbers but aren't being extirpated.

Just having a good idea who is using an engine isn't much motivation for doing the work of refining the T3 methodology, which is considerable, when nothing happens to the suspected cheaters, and just coasting by analyzing using classical T3 methodology doesn't interest me much.

If staff seems interested in such reports I'll be happy to help out like before. I suspect they will come full circle and return to the mode when the "best" players were being banned.

I could be proven wrong though. They may have just finally decided that a non-confrontational policy is right for the site.

Maybe they are 100% correct.

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Does bondocels's question look otb-centered to you, fezzik?

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Fezzik wrote:

My mistake, G-dog. I expected more from you than bondocel. Sorry.


Sorry Mod Fezzik, I didn't notice your appointment.

In the meantime I'll feel free to answer his questions, and I'll expect your unmanly whining.

edit: Since you got banned for cheating, I guess I won't expect more of your unmanly whining Smile

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ilikeflags wrote:

reminds me of Karl_


reminds me of Schackgeek or Wikstrom :P

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I just came across an incident of similar shameless cheating at the South African Junior Chess Championship. A 13-yr old kid of average ability (sldlr) hires gm lafuente to coach him for this Tourn. As a courtesy the visiting gm is allowed on the floor. He stands facing his student moving through and across aisles to show the piece to move and leaves immediately after his student wins.
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At the end of the day, they are only cheating themselves. If they win a tournament due to cheating I'm guessing it must feel pretty hollow. Sure they might win a bunch of money, but there are more important things than money.

Unfortunately there will always be people who cheat or act unfairly not just in competition but life in general. As honest players the best thing we can do is report such things when we see them, and to support the organisations that oppose them.