I have seen plenty of comments after games I win on time when I am down on material saying things like "You only won on time" and all the rest of it. Yes, I was down on material because I made an effort to play my moves within the time controls. Any muppet can come up with better moves if they take so long they run out of time to play the whole game - bullet chess is a fine balance between finding good moves and finding fast moves. It isn't deep thinking chess, it is just fast chess that is fun sometimes. Learning to think fast is an important skill in many aspects of life and is certainly improved by playing bullet chess!
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batgirl wrote:
A common complaint back then was that some players simply tried to out-sit their opponents
Ha!
That's cool. But also, that is why a win by checkmate in bullet chess increases your ELO rating on here by approximately four times than a win on time.
And yeah, fast anything is fun sometimes. I can think of but ONE thing that's better faster.... and even that's better as fast as possible sometimes, depending on who you're doing it with.
Know what I'm sayin, ovah here?
Personally, I believe bullet chess has decreased my performance in longer time controls because it has induced a strong sense of tactical and positional intuition that I feel creates a very lazy chess style in which I am not as willing to calculate, only believing the different ideas I see throughout the chess game are satisfactory.
Aug 4, 2012
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#147
"that is why a win by checkmate in bullet chess increases your ELO rating on here by approximately four times than a win on time."
Elaborate on that.
Aug 4, 2012
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JOE_Teixeira wrote:
Personally, I believe bullet chess has decreased my performance in longer time controls because it has induced a strong sense of tactical and positional intuition that I feel creates a very lazy chess style in which I am not as willing to calculate, only believing the different ideas I see throughout the chess game are satisfactory.
I would agree, becoming good (relatively) at bullet chess has been detrimental to my proper chess, but that is an attitude thing for me - moving too fast even when time controls are not there (e.g. online chess with 3 day time control)
batgirl wrote:
"that is why a win by checkmate in bullet chess increases your ELO rating on here by approximately four times than a win on time."
Elaborate on that.
Also, if you apply for the "frequent winner" member points card, you get an extra 15 points after winning ten games by checkmate.
batgirl wrote:
In considering about time controls in chess, I think one has to look back to the 19th century when chess was played without time constraints. This is probably chess at its purest.
Ah while many English-speaking westerners like to hearken back to the Nineteenth century as the height of civilisation, I myself am quite leery of comparing anything as we do it now to how things were done back then.
As if the Anglophone world reached the apex of its achievement at a time where the vast majority of people did not have indoor plumbing and a simple scrape now administered with a Band-Aid often could lead to a slow, lingering death through blood poisoning.
Keep in mind, furthermore, that the institution of slavery was, if not well-regarded, still totally legal in the British Empire until 1834, legal in the USA until 1865, and legal in Brazil until 1898. While the Victorian Era may appear quaint and romantic when viewed through the sanitized lenses of "My Fair Lady" or the "Pirates of Penzance," it certainly isn't the model of purity or clarity in anything, even chess, unless perhaps you are one of the 0.000001% of the world's population born titled, wealthy, and know not the world outside of Eton and Oxbridge.
I believe if the only games you're playing is bullet chess, it is going to have a negative impact on how you play in a standard game. A lot of the time people are just thrusting pieces without even thinking about what they are doing, or just moving a piece because it looks good. Doing that too much is going to form bad habits. I think if you're going to improve your game, it has to be done with longer time controls. So if your playing just for fun cool, but don't expect to learn anything.
ogichidaag wrote:
A lot of the time people are just thrusting pieces without even thinking about what they are doing, or just moving a piece because it looks good.
Hey man, what you said really reminds me of Spring Break, Fort Lauderdale, 1982!
Aug 4, 2012
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johnmusacha wrote:
batgirl wrote:
In considering about time controls in chess, I think one has to look back to the 19th century when chess was played without time constraints. This is probably chess at its purest.
Ah while many English-speaking westerners like to hearken back to the Nineteenth century as the height of civilisation, I myself am quite leery of comparing anything as we do it now to how things were done back then.
As if the Anglophone world reached the apex of its achievement at a time where the vast majority of people did not have indoor plumbing and a simple scrape now administered with a Band-Aid often could lead to a slow, lingering death through blood poisoning.
Keep in mind, furthermore, that the institution of slavery was, if not well-regarded, still totally legal in the British Empire until 1834, legal in the USA until 1865, and legal in Brazil until 1898. While the Victorian Era may appear quaint and romantic when viewed through the sanitized lenses of "My Fair Lady" or the "Pirates of Penzance," it certainly isn't the model of purity or clarity in anything, even chess, unless perhaps you are one of the 0.000001% of the world's population born titled, wealthy, and know not the world outside of Eton and Oxbridge.
This was an explanation of the development of time controls, their raison d'etre, to give perspective on its use today. Your selective quote was to indicate I implied that 19th century chess was chess at it's purest, whereas what I plainly wrote, and elaborated on, was that chess without time control is chess at its purest.
Yes, and chess without time control was a hallmark of the nineteenth century. And chess without time control is chess at its purest. Therefore, chess at its purest was in the nineteenth century. Being a chess site, after all, that's like saying life at its purest was in the nineteenth century.
I've heard it all before.
Aug 4, 2012
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#155
I think when you start playing bullet chess "thrusting pieces randomly" is quite common when you are desperately trying to play moves within the time controls, but speaking from experience, playing a lot of bullet chess games soon starts to improve that. Sure I still make plenty of stupid mistakes, but then I'm not some 2500-rated bullet genius! I think you evolve first to try and make "just any move" to not lose on time, then as you become more comfortable with thinking at that speed you start to make fewer mistakes and actually manage to put thought into moves and make constructive attacks. Sure many games still just evolve into a "just move a piece, any piece and something he won't expect" turkey shoot, but then that is part of bullet chess and you don't play bullet chess if you don't like that aspect of it!
Aug 4, 2012
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#156
Making unexpected moves usually beats a check. I regularly pre-move my king in a late time-scramble knowing with absolute certainty my unimaginative opponent will just do the obvious Rook check so he doesn't gain time by doing it - in fact unless he plays the check with an instant pre-move following it he loses time!
Aug 4, 2012
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#157
johnmusacha wrote:
Yes, and chess without time control was a hallmark of the nineteenth century. And chess without time control is chess at its purest. Therefore, chess at its purest was in the nineteenth century. Being a chess site, after all, that's like saying life at its purest was in the nineteenth century.
I've heard it all before.
If chess is played today without time control it would be played in it's purest form, i.e. without external or artificial factors. It has nothing to to with the 19th century. Is this really too difficult for you?
joeydvivre wrote:
I think that we need a complete moratorium on posts by people who think that winning on time in timed chess is cheating. These people are too stupid to let reproduce, to say nothing of let post where grown-ups might read their rantings.
You're the one who should not reproduce you deepsh*t. 
joeydvivre wrote:
gattaca wrote:
joeydvivre wrote:
I think that we need a complete moratorium on posts by people who think that winning on time in timed chess is cheating. These people are too stupid to let reproduce, to say nothing of let post where grown-ups might read their rantings.
You're the one who should not reproduce you deepsh*t.
Wow. That was cutting biting wit. I'm...I'm...speechless...
Amazing. You said something funny.
Yeah, so what that some people play some "filler" moves to try and make you lose on time? Many people when playing a time control like 40/120 SD/60, even with that time rush to get to 40 moves and play checks until they get the extra 60 mins since they've used all of their 120 mins up- even GM's do it sometimes.
So why complain? They're GM's- reminder that most of us are just amateurs competing against amateurs on an online website. You agreed to play as fast as you do, so play what you asked for.
Ah, it feels good to be back.
-ChessforFunn