Nakamura just beat Carlsen

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blackpug

Very happy for Naka, after all these years. Persistence counts!

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solskytz wrote:

I loved this explanation. It's very instructive even if you just read the questions and answers and don't look at the position :-)

How often do we forget these principles when playing?!? :-)

Thanks happy.png

solskytz

<Marco> you tell me when you're going to start your preparation - I'll go and make sure that Magnus doesn't have to play against you unprepared!! 

I'll charge him $0.10 per hour of preparation - just to make a point of competing with your enterprise (your prices are way too high). 

Nxa6

This makes the next World Championship match very interesting!

solskytz
YuriSenkevich wrote:

Tacos to Binary for that answer and patience, I dont know if I could have kept it that chill. I think I would freaking lose my mind after "knights are magical".

That's because you should never lose the ability of looking at chess through the eyes of a beginner!!

jambyvedar

Now Nakamura can't be Carlsen's Shirov(in regard to Kasparov's record against Shirov).

Elubas
jo_uno79 wrote:
Naka just beat carlsen in slow Time controle ... With black ... You guys think its a turning point in Nakamura carrer ??

Yeah, when I found out, I let out either the s word or the f word, can't remember which.

solskytz

About time...

Elubas

Yeah I mean it's a huge moment for naka and all. But with an ego of his size, now he'll be falsely saying he's the next world champion.

Prachi8101

and i thought carlsen was the greatest.....

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Interesting to think that Naka has stayed in the top 10 even though being such a good customer for Carlsen hehe. Maybe if he can return more reasonable results in the future, he'll improve his rank...

Not that I think he's headed for #1, I hate to say it, but at 28 there are five (!) players in the top 10 younger than him, and AFAIK he's never even qualified for a candidates match.

solskytz

<Binary> all of this false emphasis on body age... 28 years and an old man all of a sudden - about to die and certainly way beyond his peak... 

Naka was world n. 2 on several occasions - and I feel that that's the best he'll get for a while - not because he's so decrepit - but because of Carlsen :-)

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solskytz wrote:

<Binary> all of this false emphasis on body age... 28 years and an old man all of a sudden - about to die and certainly way beyond his peak... 

Naka was world n. 2 on several occasions - and I feel that that's the best he'll get for a while - not because he's so decrepit - but because of Carlsen :-)

I mean... I agree... it's absolutely ridiculous to think of 28 as an old man. Gelfand qualified for the first time when he was what? 45?

And Naka is of course super talented. All the top 10 guys are, it's hard to even imagine.

It's just that, at least in my mind, Naka has never really distinguished himself from the others in any way (ratings, tournament victories) and I'm just adding age to the pile for good measure.

I agree his biggest obstacle by far is having been born in the era of Carlsen tongue.png

solskytz
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solskytz wrote:

<Binary> all of this false emphasis on body age... 28 years and an old man all of a sudden - about to die and certainly way beyond his peak... 

Naka was world n. 2 on several occasions - and I feel that that's the best he'll get for a while - not because he's so decrepit - but because of Carlsen :-)

I mean... I agree... it's absolutely ridiculous to think of 28 as an old man. Gelfand qualified for the first time when he was what? 45?

Not quite, but close... :-)

And Anand also had a late period of excellence after age 37 (a decade more than our venerable elder). 

Not to mention (on a somewhat lower level) GM Granda Zuniga, who broke his rating record recently at age 49 - and of course, a bunch of very strong players who compete at the very top in their 40's and who could quite plausibly become champions (in some cases, again) if we didn't have one, Magnus Carlsen...

And Naka is of course super talented. All the top 10 guys are, it's hard to even imagine.

Make that at least top 20 or 25 - each of THOSE could become world Champion. 

If only we didn't have carlsen... :-)

It's just that, at least in my mind, Naka has never really distinguished himself from the others in any way (ratings, tournament victories) and I'm just adding age to the pile for good measure.

For bad measure, in this case - but everything else you write is absolutely true!

I agree his biggest obstacle by far is having been born in the era of Carlsen

That's quite unfortunate ... :-) !!!!

But being a consistent contender must be amazingly powerful in this era with so many strong players. Not EVERYBODY can be a Carlsen, you know...

And did I already mention CARLSEN?

solskytz

Good question. You have probably ten years to ponder it - as a very conservative estimate :-)

A question that interests me more is - will I get to play him on another simul in the meantime, and hopefully score a draw, or even an upset? :-) !!!!!

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To be fair then, maybe I should only evaluate age in so far as it compares to Carlsen's age. For example after what seemed like decades as #2, Anand got his title after Kasparov retired. So being slightly younger than a living legend may have this benefit.

In this case unfortunately, Naka is a few years older than Carlsen.

solskytz

And what difference does it make actually?

Suppose Carlsen retires at 28, or 35, or 42 - who says Nakamura can't keep playing and grab the throne if he's still in form and interested?

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I'm not saying he as no chance, it's just that I like the chances of Giri and Caruana better wink.png

Elubas

Surely he must have some chance. :p

solskytz

echoes of 1300 vs. 2700 in this thread too...