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Dec 12, 2021
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#365
Do you really think Nepomuncher will actually respond to a contact by someone he doesn't know?
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
"it's a fact that Ian's play was an absolute embarrassment to the world chess championship event".
Really? Prove it.
Facts are provable. They don't care about opinions. If you are personally embarrassed, that's on you.
In one press conference Ian described his blunder as "below GM level"
Everyone in the top 5 were GM level as young teenagers.
So basically we have a professional adult saying he preformed as badly as a child in the flagship event of his chosen profession... that's pretty much the definition of embarrassment.
Well then there is a very, very long way to go before it reaches "embarrassment". Examples have already been given of other competitions, like golf, where world class players miss a two inch putt. People who have NEVER played golf before can do better than that. Any chance Ians mistakes are on the same level as someone who has never played chess before?
So your argument is his chess games weren't embarrassing because someone missed a putt once. I have no response for that.
You must have a thing for man buns. Don't know why you'd bother defending him.
No. It was stated that it was a "fact" that this was an embarrassment for chess. So I said prove it, since its a fact. And of course what happened is a couple people gave their opinion. Which, I guess, is supposed to be why it's a fact.
It should be pretty obvious to the few who even knew about or watched the championship that the challenger didn't do very well. But absolutely no where near the level of poor quality other high level competitions have seen. Hence the 2 inch putt analogy.
Even the very best perform poorly from time to time.
Dec 12, 2021
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#367
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
"it's a fact that Ian's play was an absolute embarrassment to the world chess championship event".
Really? Prove it.
Facts are provable. They don't care about opinions. If you are personally embarrassed, that's on you.
In one press conference Ian described his blunder as "below GM level"
Everyone in the top 5 were GM level as young teenagers.
So basically we have a professional adult saying he preformed as badly as a child in the flagship event of his chosen profession... that's pretty much the definition of embarrassment.
Well then there is a very, very long way to go before it reaches "embarrassment". Examples have already been given of other competitions, like golf, where world class players miss a two inch putt. People who have NEVER played golf before can do better than that. Any chance Ians mistakes are on the same level as someone who has never played chess before?
So your argument is his chess games weren't embarrassing because someone missed a putt once. I have no response for that.
You must have a thing for man buns. Don't know why you'd bother defending him.
No. It was stated that it was a "fact" that this was an embarrassment for chess. So I said prove it, since its a fact. And of course what happened is a couple people gave their opinion. Which, I guess, is supposed to be why it's a fact.
It should be pretty obvious to the few who even knew about or watched the championship that the challenger didn't do very well. But absolutely no where near the level of poor quality other high level competitions have seen. Hence the 2 inch putt analogy.
Even the very best perform poorly from time to time.
Ok, then let's forget the fact thing.
In the last game Caruana said the move 23.g3 was so bad that the only way to understand it was that Nepo was resigning... at least the people who miss 2 inch putts were trying to get the ball in the hole.
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
"it's a fact that Ian's play was an absolute embarrassment to the world chess championship event".
Really? Prove it.
Facts are provable. They don't care about opinions. If you are personally embarrassed, that's on you.
In one press conference Ian described his blunder as "below GM level"
Everyone in the top 5 were GM level as young teenagers.
So basically we have a professional adult saying he preformed as badly as a child in the flagship event of his chosen profession... that's pretty much the definition of embarrassment.
Well then there is a very, very long way to go before it reaches "embarrassment". Examples have already been given of other competitions, like golf, where world class players miss a two inch putt. People who have NEVER played golf before can do better than that. Any chance Ians mistakes are on the same level as someone who has never played chess before?
So your argument is his chess games weren't embarrassing because someone missed a putt once. I have no response for that.
You must have a thing for man buns. Don't know why you'd bother defending him.
No. It was stated that it was a "fact" that this was an embarrassment for chess. So I said prove it, since its a fact. And of course what happened is a couple people gave their opinion. Which, I guess, is supposed to be why it's a fact.
It should be pretty obvious to the few who even knew about or watched the championship that the challenger didn't do very well. But absolutely no where near the level of poor quality other high level competitions have seen. Hence the 2 inch putt analogy.
Even the very best perform poorly from time to time.
Ok, then let's forget the fact thing.
In the last game Caruana said the move 23.g3 was so bad that the only way to understand it was that Nepo was resigning... at least the people who miss 2 inch putts were trying to get the ball in the hole.
I don't know. We'd have to ask him if he made that move because he was resigning. Maybe, maybe not. And yes, those two examples of professionals missing high dollar 2 inch putts WERE trying to make them. But there have been times where they were not. And in match play there have been short misses because the competitor was conceding the hole anyway, so they simply didn't care.
In all of those instances there certainly wasn't any "embarassment" by anyone. It's simply how competition works. Sometimes mistakes and misses happen. But the mistakes Nepo made do not rise anywhere near to the level of much more high profile competition mistakes. It was simply a good competitor having a bad tournament. Pretty ordinary stuff when it comes to competitions.
Dec 12, 2021
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#369
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
"it's a fact that Ian's play was an absolute embarrassment to the world chess championship event".
Really? Prove it.
Facts are provable. They don't care about opinions. If you are personally embarrassed, that's on you.
In one press conference Ian described his blunder as "below GM level"
Everyone in the top 5 were GM level as young teenagers.
So basically we have a professional adult saying he preformed as badly as a child in the flagship event of his chosen profession... that's pretty much the definition of embarrassment.
Well then there is a very, very long way to go before it reaches "embarrassment". Examples have already been given of other competitions, like golf, where world class players miss a two inch putt. People who have NEVER played golf before can do better than that. Any chance Ians mistakes are on the same level as someone who has never played chess before?
So your argument is his chess games weren't embarrassing because someone missed a putt once. I have no response for that.
You must have a thing for man buns. Don't know why you'd bother defending him.
No. It was stated that it was a "fact" that this was an embarrassment for chess. So I said prove it, since its a fact. And of course what happened is a couple people gave their opinion. Which, I guess, is supposed to be why it's a fact.
It should be pretty obvious to the few who even knew about or watched the championship that the challenger didn't do very well. But absolutely no where near the level of poor quality other high level competitions have seen. Hence the 2 inch putt analogy.
Even the very best perform poorly from time to time.
Ok, then let's forget the fact thing.
In the last game Caruana said the move 23.g3 was so bad that the only way to understand it was that Nepo was resigning... at least the people who miss 2 inch putts were trying to get the ball in the hole.
I don't know. We'd have to ask him if he made that move because he was resigning. Maybe, maybe not. And yes, those two examples of professionals missing high dollar 2 inch putts WERE trying to make them. But there have been times where they were not. And in match play there have been short misses because the competitor was conceding the hole anyway, so they simply didn't care.
In all of those instances there certainly wasn't any "embarassment" by anyone. It's simply how competition works. Sometimes mistakes and misses happen. But the mistakes Nepo made do not rise anywhere near to the level of much more high profile competition mistakes. It was simply a good competitor having a bad tournament. Pretty ordinary stuff when it comes to competitions.
He probably felt a lot of different emotions. Was embarrassment one of them? I guess I can't know for sure, but failing to preform in front of millions, and having that performance go down in history seems to be something that would typically cause embarrassment.
It doesn't have to be the only thing he feels. Probably he's mostly depressed, but there can be some happiness too. He's one of only a few people to play a world championship match, he won a lot of money, he's seeded into the next candidates, those sorts of things.
Dec 12, 2021
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#370
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
"it's a fact that Ian's play was an absolute embarrassment to the world chess championship event".
Really? Prove it.
Facts are provable. They don't care about opinions. If you are personally embarrassed, that's on you.
In one press conference Ian described his blunder as "below GM level"
Everyone in the top 5 were GM level as young teenagers.
So basically we have a professional adult saying he preformed as badly as a child in the flagship event of his chosen profession... that's pretty much the definition of embarrassment.
Well then there is a very, very long way to go before it reaches "embarrassment". Examples have already been given of other competitions, like golf, where world class players miss a two inch putt. People who have NEVER played golf before can do better than that. Any chance Ians mistakes are on the same level as someone who has never played chess before?
So your argument is his chess games weren't embarrassing because someone missed a putt once. I have no response for that.
You must have a thing for man buns. Don't know why you'd bother defending him.
No. It was stated that it was a "fact" that this was an embarrassment for chess. So I said prove it, since its a fact. And of course what happened is a couple people gave their opinion. Which, I guess, is supposed to be why it's a fact.
It should be pretty obvious to the few who even knew about or watched the championship that the challenger didn't do very well. But absolutely no where near the level of poor quality other high level competitions have seen. Hence the 2 inch putt analogy.
Even the very best perform poorly from time to time.
Ok, then let's forget the fact thing.
In the last game Caruana said the move 23.g3 was so bad that the only way to understand it was that Nepo was resigning... at least the people who miss 2 inch putts were trying to get the ball in the hole.
I don't know. We'd have to ask him if he made that move because he was resigning.
Nepo was asked about that move. He said he missed the line that got played against it.
Caruana's statement, I thought, was out of line and a bit extreme. The other two guys on the broadcast did not voice support to Caruana's statement. So, either Caruana was a bit too extreme in the heat of the moment or Nepo was lying. I'll take the first option.
(Also, naïve question from someone who genuinely doesn't know: do players in a WC make bad moves in order to resign? Why? Why not just resign without making the bad move?)
It doesn't mean to be taken literally. He doesn't want to resign, but mentally he's given up.
I’m thinking that if Nepo got into a simultaneous match with everyone in this thread, he would beat us all.
And he flees forward.
Dec 12, 2021
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#374
sholom90 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
"it's a fact that Ian's play was an absolute embarrassment to the world chess championship event".
Really? Prove it.
Facts are provable. They don't care about opinions. If you are personally embarrassed, that's on you.
In one press conference Ian described his blunder as "below GM level"
Everyone in the top 5 were GM level as young teenagers.
So basically we have a professional adult saying he preformed as badly as a child in the flagship event of his chosen profession... that's pretty much the definition of embarrassment.
Well then there is a very, very long way to go before it reaches "embarrassment". Examples have already been given of other competitions, like golf, where world class players miss a two inch putt. People who have NEVER played golf before can do better than that. Any chance Ians mistakes are on the same level as someone who has never played chess before?
So your argument is his chess games weren't embarrassing because someone missed a putt once. I have no response for that.
You must have a thing for man buns. Don't know why you'd bother defending him.
No. It was stated that it was a "fact" that this was an embarrassment for chess. So I said prove it, since its a fact. And of course what happened is a couple people gave their opinion. Which, I guess, is supposed to be why it's a fact.
It should be pretty obvious to the few who even knew about or watched the championship that the challenger didn't do very well. But absolutely no where near the level of poor quality other high level competitions have seen. Hence the 2 inch putt analogy.
Even the very best perform poorly from time to time.
Ok, then let's forget the fact thing.
In the last game Caruana said the move 23.g3 was so bad that the only way to understand it was that Nepo was resigning... at least the people who miss 2 inch putts were trying to get the ball in the hole.
I don't know. We'd have to ask him if he made that move because he was resigning.
Nepo was asked about that move. He said he missed the line that got played against it.
Caruana's statement, I thought, was out of line and a bit extreme. The other two guys on the broadcast did not voice support to Caruana's statement. So, either Caruana was a bit too extreme in the heat of the moment or Nepo was lying. I'll take the first option.
(Also, naïve question from someone who genuinely doesn't know: do players in a WC make bad moves in order to resign? Why? Why not just resign without making the bad move?)
First of all, Caruana is like, 1000x times better than Danny, and 100x better than Hess. Caruana is the only one qualified to characterize the move. They shut their mouths and listened to Caruana, because they have not a clue.
But it's true that Caruana could be wrong... because 27.c5 in game 9 was even worse, so it could be the case that Nepo was so out of form that it was just another blunder.
But even if Caruana was wrong, I wouldn't call it the heat of the moment. Caruana is a pretty stoic and rational person. It took all of Danny's awkward childish charisma to liven up the room with Caruana just sitting there 
Brash actions are just not in Caruana's character, I think. So if Caruana was wrong, and it was simply another blunder, it's just because the blunder was SO bad that Caruana couldn't imagine a 2800 player playing it.
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re: your last question, no, players don't blunder to resign at that level. That would be shameful... but in Nepo's case it's plausible, because a few of his blunders were so shameful already that one could almost excuse him for wanting to end it.
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
"it's a fact that Ian's play was an absolute embarrassment to the world chess championship event".
Really? Prove it.
Facts are provable. They don't care about opinions. If you are personally embarrassed, that's on you.
In one press conference Ian described his blunder as "below GM level"
Everyone in the top 5 were GM level as young teenagers.
So basically we have a professional adult saying he preformed as badly as a child in the flagship event of his chosen profession... that's pretty much the definition of embarrassment.
Well then there is a very, very long way to go before it reaches "embarrassment". Examples have already been given of other competitions, like golf, where world class players miss a two inch putt. People who have NEVER played golf before can do better than that. Any chance Ians mistakes are on the same level as someone who has never played chess before?
So your argument is his chess games weren't embarrassing because someone missed a putt once. I have no response for that.
You must have a thing for man buns. Don't know why you'd bother defending him.
No. It was stated that it was a "fact" that this was an embarrassment for chess. So I said prove it, since its a fact. And of course what happened is a couple people gave their opinion. Which, I guess, is supposed to be why it's a fact.
It should be pretty obvious to the few who even knew about or watched the championship that the challenger didn't do very well. But absolutely no where near the level of poor quality other high level competitions have seen. Hence the 2 inch putt analogy.
Even the very best perform poorly from time to time.
Ok, then let's forget the fact thing.
In the last game Caruana said the move 23.g3 was so bad that the only way to understand it was that Nepo was resigning... at least the people who miss 2 inch putts were trying to get the ball in the hole.
I don't know. We'd have to ask him if he made that move because he was resigning. Maybe, maybe not. And yes, those two examples of professionals missing high dollar 2 inch putts WERE trying to make them. But there have been times where they were not. And in match play there have been short misses because the competitor was conceding the hole anyway, so they simply didn't care.
In all of those instances there certainly wasn't any "embarassment" by anyone. It's simply how competition works. Sometimes mistakes and misses happen. But the mistakes Nepo made do not rise anywhere near to the level of much more high profile competition mistakes. It was simply a good competitor having a bad tournament. Pretty ordinary stuff when it comes to competitions.
He probably felt a lot of different emotions. Was embarrassment one of them? I guess I can't know for sure, but failing to preform in front of millions, and having that performance go down in history seems to be something that would typically cause embarrassment.
It doesn't have to be the only thing he feels. Probably he's mostly depressed, but there can be some happiness too. He's one of only a few people to play a world championship match, he won a lot of money, he's seeded into the next candidates, those sorts of things.
I agree. He certainly didn't appear embarrassed. Disappointed for sure.
Had it gone the other way and he managed to win I doubt Carlsen would feel embarrassed either. Its just the nature of competition. Sometimes it's not the very best against the very best. I think we've all seen college football games (or other competitions) where we sit in amazement that one of the championship teams played so poorly, yet played brilliantly to get there.
Like you said, he's probably happy he got to play in the world championship, made a couple bucks, and gets an invite to the next shot at it. All in all not a bad month.
Dec 12, 2021
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#376
LaxmiB52 wrote:
I’m thinking that if Nepo got into a simultaneous match with everyone in this thread, he would beat us all.
Nah, I'd just wear a Magnus Carlsen mask, and he'd be so scared he'd blunder all his pieces to me.
Dec 12, 2021
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#377
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
llama47 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
"it's a fact that Ian's play was an absolute embarrassment to the world chess championship event".
Really? Prove it.
Facts are provable. They don't care about opinions. If you are personally embarrassed, that's on you.
In one press conference Ian described his blunder as "below GM level"
Everyone in the top 5 were GM level as young teenagers.
So basically we have a professional adult saying he preformed as badly as a child in the flagship event of his chosen profession... that's pretty much the definition of embarrassment.
Well then there is a very, very long way to go before it reaches "embarrassment". Examples have already been given of other competitions, like golf, where world class players miss a two inch putt. People who have NEVER played golf before can do better than that. Any chance Ians mistakes are on the same level as someone who has never played chess before?
So your argument is his chess games weren't embarrassing because someone missed a putt once. I have no response for that.
You must have a thing for man buns. Don't know why you'd bother defending him.
No. It was stated that it was a "fact" that this was an embarrassment for chess. So I said prove it, since its a fact. And of course what happened is a couple people gave their opinion. Which, I guess, is supposed to be why it's a fact.
It should be pretty obvious to the few who even knew about or watched the championship that the challenger didn't do very well. But absolutely no where near the level of poor quality other high level competitions have seen. Hence the 2 inch putt analogy.
Even the very best perform poorly from time to time.
Ok, then let's forget the fact thing.
In the last game Caruana said the move 23.g3 was so bad that the only way to understand it was that Nepo was resigning... at least the people who miss 2 inch putts were trying to get the ball in the hole.
I don't know. We'd have to ask him if he made that move because he was resigning. Maybe, maybe not. And yes, those two examples of professionals missing high dollar 2 inch putts WERE trying to make them. But there have been times where they were not. And in match play there have been short misses because the competitor was conceding the hole anyway, so they simply didn't care.
In all of those instances there certainly wasn't any "embarassment" by anyone. It's simply how competition works. Sometimes mistakes and misses happen. But the mistakes Nepo made do not rise anywhere near to the level of much more high profile competition mistakes. It was simply a good competitor having a bad tournament. Pretty ordinary stuff when it comes to competitions.
He probably felt a lot of different emotions. Was embarrassment one of them? I guess I can't know for sure, but failing to preform in front of millions, and having that performance go down in history seems to be something that would typically cause embarrassment.
It doesn't have to be the only thing he feels. Probably he's mostly depressed, but there can be some happiness too. He's one of only a few people to play a world championship match, he won a lot of money, he's seeded into the next candidates, those sorts of things.
I agree. He certainly didn't appear embarrassed. Disappointed for sure.
Had it gone the other way and he managed to win I doubt Carlsen would feel embarrassed either. Its just the nature of competition. Sometimes it's not the very best against the very best. I think we've all seen college football games (or other competitions) where we sit in amazement that one of the championship teams played so poorly, yet played brilliantly to get there.
Like you said, he's probably happy he got to play in the world championship, made a couple bucks, and gets an invite to the next shot at it. All in all not a bad month.
Yeah, hopefully he can put it into perspective.
I've had some extremely frustrating losses OTB. It always helped me to remember that I'm not the only one. So like you're saying, in Nepo's case, he's not the only one to make it so far and fall apart in the final round (so to speak).
llama47 escribió:
LaxmiB52 wrote:
I’m thinking that if Nepo got into a simultaneous match with everyone in this thread, he would beat us all.
Nah, I'd just wear a Magnus Carlsen mask, and he'd be so scared he'd blunder all his pieces to me.
I wouldn't do that for anything. Not like I'm Paul Newman myself, but that's just too much.
Dec 12, 2021
0
#379
@llama47 -- Hess is just under 2600, Caruana is just under 2800. That doesn't translate to "100 times better". (I agree with you about his "charisma" factor! 
)
You wrote the real novel of Nepo's life. )
You should send it to him.
question, how do i?
Yes, that's the problem.
Maybe you should try to find Nepo's page in Facebook ?
In that way I made the contact with one american poet whom I like.
every social media is blocked on my platform, save for things that aren't immediately social medias like chess.com
My God ! ))
I forget that you are from North Korea...
They say Putin can do the same bad thing in Russia.
im in america. im just on a school computer with this thing called goguardian installed, which makes it so the school staff can restrict access to websites n stuff. so basically north korea but that's the extent of what jong-un does. i have the nk flag for aesthetic reasons
Ok... but you can try to find Nepo's page in social nets... with help of Smartphone.
problem: which social nets? i dont have a smartphone, the closest i have is a flip phone