Neurodivergency and Chess Aptitude?

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8thMarch2023 wrote:

You're proving my point the more desperate you get.

Go ahead and quote some of this "desperation". I'll give you plenty of time, since I am going to sleep...good luck.

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MyRatingIs1523IsBack wrote:

and your low blitz and bullet ratings show that you are trolling if you have ratings that low.

You don't seem to know the definition of trolling. Bullet and blitz are throwaway formats, for the record. Even more so for me. You will find me playing the Hippo and such if you dig around wink.png. I usually play these formats when I am showing somebody visiting me the site.

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I wanna hear some more actual answers to the OP -.-

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I’m afraid you’re not going to get that here as the current state of this thread is “intellectual” peacocking or something like that

I’d suggest reposting the OP if you wanted to get any actual discussion about this quite interesting topic

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Or we could do it anyway… it’s an interesting topic :)
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DiogenesDue wrote:
MyRatingIs1523IsBack wrote:

and your low blitz and bullet ratings show that you are trolling if you have ratings that low.

You don't seem to know the definition of trolling. Bullet and blitz are throwaway formats, for the record. Even more so for me. You will find me playing the Hippo and such if you dig around . I usually play these formats when I am showing somebody visiting me the site.

But there's no evidence at all that you can play at any speed, similarly to the fact of no evidence that shows you can think well at any speed on any subject.

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Optimissed wrote:

But there's no evidence at all that you can play at any speed, similarly to the fact of no evidence that shows you can think well at any speed on any subject.

??? I know @AccuratelyRatedUSCFPlayer disagrees w me but i think 1156 in blitz is a decent rating

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DoYouLikeCurry wrote:
@ice_cream_cake - here’s a little list of off the top of my head…
Positives: hyperfixation allowed quick improvement, quick thought processing helps do lots of calculation quickly, intuition is enhanced, and our minds work in ways that aid creativity and unpredictability.
Negatives: tendency to rush, difficulty to maintain concentration especially over longer periods of time, impulsivity (the dark side of intuition), intrusive distracting thoughts.
Happy to answer all questions about this, too :)

Yeah I have very very similar pros and cons with my ADD (didn’t get the H sadly, rip having energy). I’m wildly inconsistent. Another few cons that wasn’t mentioned here that I wonder if you also have are: having no concept of time and so never knowing how much is on your clock, your brain shutting off on occasion in the middle of a game, just COMPLETELY missing the very very obvious sometimes, an inability to slow down making back to back games risky, tedious tasks (e.g. analysis after a game) being difficult to start doing consistently, forgetting where pieces are on the board (ESPECIALLY in daily), et cetera et cetera.

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ice_cream_cake wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

But there's no evidence at all that you can play at any speed, similarly to the fact of no evidence that shows you can think well at any speed on any subject.

??? I know @AccuratelyRatedUSCFPlayer disagrees w me but i think 1156 in blitz is a decent rating

Yeah U1200 blitz isn’t a problem if the player can do well in classical or rapid. They probably SHOULD get better at blitz but it isn’t a necessity.

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ice_cream_cake wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

But there's no evidence at all that you can play at any speed, similarly to the fact of no evidence that shows you can think well at any speed on any subject.

??? I know @AccuratelyRatedUSCFPlayer disagrees w me but i think 1156 in blitz is a decent rating

Yes I know what you're saying but it isn't in relation to Dio's overblown, pompous pronouncements and his constant putting down of all others who disagree with him. Elroch is similar in that respect but at least he does his hypocrisy slightly more cleverly.

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Optimissed wrote:
ice_cream_cake wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

But there's no evidence at all that you can play at any speed, similarly to the fact of no evidence that shows you can think well at any speed on any subject.

??? I know @AccuratelyRatedUSCFPlayer disagrees w me but i think 1156 in blitz is a decent rating

Yes I know what you're saying but it isn't in relation to Dio's overblown, pompous pronouncements and his constant putting down of all others who disagree with him. Elroch is similar in that respect but at least he does his hypocrisy slightly more cleverly.

Oh okay, I didn't even bother reading any of the argument so I was just responding to your comment about the rating.
Meh, chess skill level is in large part a function of how much time and effort you put into it, imo. My friend who has a math PhD from Stanford hasn't played much but has had some exposure to chess. I've played him; he has a surprisingly good sense of the board....but yeah, the games went the way that games with beginners tend to go.....

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MyRatingIs1523IsBack wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
ice_cream_cake wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

But there's no evidence at all that you can play at any speed, similarly to the fact of no evidence that shows you can think well at any speed on any subject.

??? I know @AccuratelyRatedUSCFPlayer disagrees w me but i think 1156 in blitz is a decent rating

Yeah U1200 blitz isn’t a problem if the player can do well in classical or rapid. They probably SHOULD get better at blitz but it isn’t a necessity.

if you have a 1156 blitz rating you're trash at all time formats

Hypothetically, someone can create their account at 400, win a bunch of games, and then stop playing tongue.png Just like you stopped playing rated tournaments, imo.

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Optimissed wrote:

But there's no evidence at all that you can play at any speed, similarly to the fact of no evidence that shows you can think well at any speed on any subject.

I guess the reality of chess.com/lichess and the archiving of online games escapes you. As for other subjects, I routinely run circles around you, and I will for the rest of your existence.

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MyRatingIs1523IsBack wrote:

if you have a 1156 blitz rating you're trash at all time formats

You realize you're going to get caught eventually, right? Your buddy drmrboss is a dead giveaway.

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Optimissed wrote:

Yes I know what you're saying but it isn't in relation to Dio's overblown, pompous pronouncements and his constant putting down of all others who disagree with him. Elroch is similar in that respect but at least he does his hypocrisy slightly more cleverly.

Back in your box. You're giving away how big the chip on your shoulder is.

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Ethan_Brollier wrote:

Yeah I have very very similar pros and cons with my ADD (didn’t get the H sadly, rip having energy). I’m wildly inconsistent. Another few cons that wasn’t mentioned here that I wonder if you also have are: having no concept of time and so never knowing how much is on your clock, your brain shutting off on occasion in the middle of a game, just COMPLETELY missing the very very obvious sometimes, an inability to slow down making back to back games risky, tedious tasks (e.g. analysis after a game) being difficult to start doing consistently, forgetting where pieces are on the board (ESPECIALLY in daily), et cetera et cetera.

Thanks for sharing!
I'm aware of medication for ADD/ADHD, and I wonder if you might be able to speak to the effects of that regarding some of the effects that you shared?
Just out of curiosity, how is your blitz higher than your rapid? (Mine currently is but that's cuz i haven't played rated rapid in like 3months...my rapid on 2nd account is higher.)

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fremble wrote:

I’m afraid you’re not going to get that here as the current state of this thread is “intellectual” peacocking or something like that

I’d suggest reposting the OP if you wanted to get any actual discussion about this quite interesting topic

Perpetuating the "genius is one step from madness" trope is about the same as saying blondes are dumb. It makes for good Hollywood movies like A Brilliant Mind, but statistically, it doesn't hold up, and the stereotypes it creates affect a lot of people. The problem is that nobody is going to write stories about neurodivergent people who lead fairly average lives...they cherry pick ones about great thinkers that end up going crazy. It's Flowers for Algernon re-used ad nauseam.

I defended the idea of neurodivergence, but I do not defend the association of neurodivergence and chess as being linked together, medically. That's pure BS. It's nurture (social forces and assumptions), not nature (genome). For every Fischer, there is an appropriate and not notable ratio of chess players that are just fine relative to the general public.

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8thMarch2023 wrote:

Quoted

You're going to have to do a lot better than that. Show us a quote where I am actually saying something desperate and explain why you perceive desperation in it.

Hint: It's confirmation bias that protects your ego.

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Think @ice_cream_cake was asking about adhd medication? It unfortunately affects people differently, but it doesn’t actually cure our symptoms or anything like that. Just sort of helps focus the brain and make stuff quieter Y’know?
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ice_cream_cake wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:

Yeah I have very very similar pros and cons with my ADD (didn’t get the H sadly, rip having energy). I’m wildly inconsistent. Another few cons that wasn’t mentioned here that I wonder if you also have are: having no concept of time and so never knowing how much is on your clock, your brain shutting off on occasion in the middle of a game, just COMPLETELY missing the very very obvious sometimes, an inability to slow down making back to back games risky, tedious tasks (e.g. analysis after a game) being difficult to start doing consistently, forgetting where pieces are on the board (ESPECIALLY in daily), et cetera et cetera.

Thanks for sharing!
I'm aware of medication for ADD/ADHD, and I wonder if you might be able to speak to the effects of that regarding some of the effects that you shared?
Just out of curiosity, how is your blitz higher than your rapid? (Mine currently is but that's cuz i haven't played rated rapid in like 3months...my rapid on 2nd account is higher.)

Personally I’ve found medication to be surprisingly useful. I’m currently taking 40mm Straterra and when I remember to take it it’s really useful. It doesn’t completely negate any of the symptoms unfortunately but I’ve seen a mild to moderate reduction in almost all of them. I’ve found it mostly helps reduce the “thoughts per second”, allowing for easier mental focus, reduced impulsivity, higher consistency, and time management. My memory and concept of time are still entirely unaffected unfortunately.

My blitz is higher than my rapid mostly because I play it more often. I’m sure that if I played another ~200 rapid games I could even out my ratings, but I simply enjoy 3|0 chess more than 10|0 and I don’t quite have the focus to consistently play a longer time control.