Neurodivergency and Chess Aptitude?
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DoYouLikeCurry
Jul 11, 2023
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#81
Atomoxetine here…
DoYouLikeCurry wrote:
Atomoxetine here…
Yeah that’s the one. Straterra is the name brand, I can’t remember medical names worth beans because I’ve taken so many complicated ones over the years but it’s that.
Jul 11, 2023
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#84
Thanks for sharing guys!
From what you guys are saying, I understand that medication may reduce symptoms, but does not eliminate them entirely. Do you observe any side effects of the medication that would influence your play as well?
Jul 11, 2023
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#85
To the best of my memory, this is how I quote @paper_llama quoting Sartre:
"'Never believe that [] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words.... for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.'
Sartre on anti-Semites, but applies to so many people today, both large and small."
ice_cream_cake wrote:
To the best of my memory, this is how I quote @paper_llama quoting Sartre:
"'Never believe that [] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words.... for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.'
Sartre on anti-Semites, but applies to so many people today, both large and small."
The thing is, Being and Nothingness was written in 1943, before computers, at the cusp of widespread TV adoption, and before the internet. People who espoused things like, oh, say...white supremacy...could fairly safely be ignored, as their impact was local and they had no real way of evangelizing in a widespread way. No platform.
The internet changes everything. People that act unethically and try to garner attention for it need to be challenged and confronted every step of the way. Otherwise, the internet will remain full of crap and average people will continue to not know what is up and what is down. Just look at how a bunch of people with an agenda, who gleefully harness naysayers and conspiracy theorists, have managed things like Jan 6th, Brexit, etc. I'm in a discussion about Ukraine elsewhere on the site, and the news and status of the conflict is depicted completely the opposite way depending what sources you turn to.
The internet is a inflection point for humanity...we will either learn as individuals how to discern right from wrong ourselves, and apply critical thinking, and call out people that are trying to manipulate things to their advantage, or a bunch of bad actors are going to lead people like cattle into the most ignorant and stupid courses of action.
You may notice that younger people are a lot quicker to call out BS from their peers now, especially behaviors where one kid trys to lead others into something hateful, etc. That will have to become the norm. Someone being racist? Call them out. Someone being misogynistic? Call them out. Someone railing against environmental issues or clean energy for selfish reasons? Call them out. It is no longer possible to just let ignorance be in the name of politeness.
Jul 11, 2023
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#87
Trying to work out if @8thmarch2023 is just straight trolling or entirely deluded 😂😂
Jul 11, 2023
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#88
@ice_cream_cake yep that’s about right. There are other side effects that might affect things but they’re harder to measure. For instance there are a few that affect your physical comfort (like headaches for example). Also, they can cause suicid*l thoughts which would sorta permanently affect chess ability…
Jul 12, 2023
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#89
DoYouLikeCurry wrote:
@ice_cream_cake yep that’s about right. There are other side effects that might affect things but they’re harder to measure. For instance there are a few that affect your physical comfort (like headaches for example). Also, they can cause suicid*l thoughts which would sorta permanently affect chess ability…
I see, thanks for clarifying...
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I hope the side effects aren't too bad for any of the people in this thread who experience ADHD/ADD.....those sound incredibly challenging :/
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Also, OP mentioned issues related to self-esteem....That sounds challenging as well; would you say it is a significant challenge in your chess journey?
8thMarch2023 wrote:
When a troll exclusively tries to pick on / incite people who are smarter and better composed, it's simply not going to end well.
Try posting on the comment section of a minecraft youtuber instead.
I'll leave Minecraft and Roblox to you. Never played them. I have created a Quake map from scratch, though.
Jul 12, 2023
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#91
It’s a significant challenge to our life journeys, unfortunately.
You’ve got to understand that for our undiagnosed childhoods, a lot of us showed a lot of signs of being very smart. That’s why teachers and parents would often expect us to do well in exams. Unfortunately, a lot of the symptoms of ADHD make it practically impossible to sit exams well, and so we’d not do as well as expected.
What that meant is that we’d go home and be told “you have so much potential, you just need to apply yourself! Just try a little harder”
We’d try harder, and then fail to meet expectations. Again and again and again, with no explanation why. And that takes its toll on someone after a while.
With chess, it just means that I tend to assume I’m the worse player in a game, assume that I’m somehow a fraud or got here by luck, and consequently I often overestimate the strength of my opponents. And, irritatingly, don’t always analyse their play for obvious mistakes!
It also means losses hit us like a freight train :(
Sorry if that was oversharing, I’m just trying to answer the questions as candidly as i can…
You’ve got to understand that for our undiagnosed childhoods, a lot of us showed a lot of signs of being very smart. That’s why teachers and parents would often expect us to do well in exams. Unfortunately, a lot of the symptoms of ADHD make it practically impossible to sit exams well, and so we’d not do as well as expected.
What that meant is that we’d go home and be told “you have so much potential, you just need to apply yourself! Just try a little harder”
We’d try harder, and then fail to meet expectations. Again and again and again, with no explanation why. And that takes its toll on someone after a while.
With chess, it just means that I tend to assume I’m the worse player in a game, assume that I’m somehow a fraud or got here by luck, and consequently I often overestimate the strength of my opponents. And, irritatingly, don’t always analyse their play for obvious mistakes!
It also means losses hit us like a freight train :(
Sorry if that was oversharing, I’m just trying to answer the questions as candidly as i can…
Jul 12, 2023
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#92
DoYouLikeCurry wrote:
It’s a significant challenge to our life journeys, unfortunately.
You’ve got to understand that for our undiagnosed childhoods, a lot of us showed a lot of signs of being very smart. That’s why teachers and parents would often expect us to do well in exams. Unfortunately, a lot of the symptoms of ADHD make it practically impossible to sit exams well, and so we’d not do as well as expected.
What that meant is that we’d go home and be told “you have so much potential, you just need to apply yourself! Just try a little harder”
We’d try harder, and then fail to meet expectations. Again and again and again, with no explanation why. And that takes its toll on someone after a while.
With chess, it just means that I tend to assume I’m the worse player in a game, assume that I’m somehow a fraud or got here by luck, and consequently I often overestimate the strength of my opponents. And, irritatingly, don’t always analyse their play for obvious mistakes!
It also means losses hit us like a freight train :(
Sorry if that was oversharing, I’m just trying to answer the questions as candidly as i can…
You’ve got to understand that for our undiagnosed childhoods, a lot of us showed a lot of signs of being very smart. That’s why teachers and parents would often expect us to do well in exams. Unfortunately, a lot of the symptoms of ADHD make it practically impossible to sit exams well, and so we’d not do as well as expected.
What that meant is that we’d go home and be told “you have so much potential, you just need to apply yourself! Just try a little harder”
We’d try harder, and then fail to meet expectations. Again and again and again, with no explanation why. And that takes its toll on someone after a while.
With chess, it just means that I tend to assume I’m the worse player in a game, assume that I’m somehow a fraud or got here by luck, and consequently I often overestimate the strength of my opponents. And, irritatingly, don’t always analyse their play for obvious mistakes!
It also means losses hit us like a freight train :(
Sorry if that was oversharing, I’m just trying to answer the questions as candidly as i can…
To me, it's not oversharing. I just hope that your story is treated with the dignity it deserves; in these forums, sometimes people disappoint on here.
I actually grew up with selective mutism, (that's another story which I don't mind telling, but for now it's an aside), so while our experiences may be different, I do relate to the experience of being told to "just try harder" when there's a deeper root issue that isn't our fault. Unfortunately, I guess it's a common experience for neurodivergent people to be unfairly blamed for things that are not whatever fault or shortcoming that is being accused. I'm sorry to hear that 
I see what you're saying; with that kind of messaging, I see how that lends itself to assuming one to be lesser wrt the opponent than you actually are.
I don't have the relevant experience to say, but hopefully though, these self-esteem issues are something that can be worked on over time~ I hope that you are able to over time have a more accurate view of yourself in relation to your opponent.
Hello. I believe on this thread it is important to be kind so everyone please treat each other with respect
And my point comes into play
Jul 12, 2023
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#95
kenbave1128 wrote:
Hello. I believe on this thread it is important to be kind so everyone please treat each other with respect
I don't have premium on this acct, else i would have done the heart react. In a thread like this, i really wish people would try to be kind, so thanks for articulating this.
Jul 12, 2023
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#96
ice_cream_cake wrote:
DoYouLikeCurry wrote:
It’s a significant challenge to our life journeys, unfortunately.
You’ve got to understand that for our undiagnosed childhoods, a lot of us showed a lot of signs of being very smart. That’s why teachers and parents would often expect us to do well in exams. Unfortunately, a lot of the symptoms of ADHD make it practically impossible to sit exams well, and so we’d not do as well as expected.
What that meant is that we’d go home and be told “you have so much potential, you just need to apply yourself! Just try a little harder”
We’d try harder, and then fail to meet expectations. Again and again and again, with no explanation why. And that takes its toll on someone after a while.
With chess, it just means that I tend to assume I’m the worse player in a game, assume that I’m somehow a fraud or got here by luck, and consequently I often overestimate the strength of my opponents. And, irritatingly, don’t always analyse their play for obvious mistakes!
It also means losses hit us like a freight train :(
Sorry if that was oversharing, I’m just trying to answer the questions as candidly as i can…
You’ve got to understand that for our undiagnosed childhoods, a lot of us showed a lot of signs of being very smart. That’s why teachers and parents would often expect us to do well in exams. Unfortunately, a lot of the symptoms of ADHD make it practically impossible to sit exams well, and so we’d not do as well as expected.
What that meant is that we’d go home and be told “you have so much potential, you just need to apply yourself! Just try a little harder”
We’d try harder, and then fail to meet expectations. Again and again and again, with no explanation why. And that takes its toll on someone after a while.
With chess, it just means that I tend to assume I’m the worse player in a game, assume that I’m somehow a fraud or got here by luck, and consequently I often overestimate the strength of my opponents. And, irritatingly, don’t always analyse their play for obvious mistakes!
It also means losses hit us like a freight train :(
Sorry if that was oversharing, I’m just trying to answer the questions as candidly as i can…
To me, it's not oversharing. I just hope that your story is treated with the dignity it deserves; in these forums, sometimes people disappoint on here.
I actually grew up with selective mutism, (that's another story which I don't mind telling, but for now it's an aside), so while our experiences may be different, I do relate to the experience of being told to "just try harder" when there's a deeper root issue that isn't our fault. Unfortunately, I guess it's a common experience for neurodivergent people to be unfairly blamed for things that are not whatever fault or shortcoming that is being accused. I'm sorry to hear that I see what you're saying; with that kind of messaging, I see how that lends itself to assuming one to be lesser wrt the opponent than you actually are.
I don't have the relevant experience to say, but hopefully though, these self-esteem issues are something that can be worked on over time~ I hope that you are able to over time have a more accurate view of yourself in relation to your opponent.
Thanks for your kind words, and I’m sorry you had to deal with your own issues when you were younger. It’s not something I know much about, and would surely be a fascinating conversation. But I agree, not that relevant to chess perhaps.
DoYouLikeCurry wrote:
It’s a significant challenge to our life journeys, unfortunately.
You’ve got to understand that for our undiagnosed childhoods, a lot of us showed a lot of signs of being very smart. That’s why teachers and parents would often expect us to do well in exams. Unfortunately, a lot of the symptoms of ADHD make it practically impossible to sit exams well, and so we’d not do as well as expected.
What that meant is that we’d go home and be told “you have so much potential, you just need to apply yourself! Just try a little harder”
We’d try harder, and then fail to meet expectations. Again and again and again, with no explanation why. And that takes its toll on someone after a while.
With chess, it just means that I tend to assume I’m the worse player in a game, assume that I’m somehow a fraud or got here by luck, and consequently I often overestimate the strength of my opponents. And, irritatingly, don’t always analyse their play for obvious mistakes!
It also means losses hit us like a freight train :(
Sorry if that was oversharing, I’m just trying to answer the questions as candidly as i can…
You’ve got to understand that for our undiagnosed childhoods, a lot of us showed a lot of signs of being very smart. That’s why teachers and parents would often expect us to do well in exams. Unfortunately, a lot of the symptoms of ADHD make it practically impossible to sit exams well, and so we’d not do as well as expected.
What that meant is that we’d go home and be told “you have so much potential, you just need to apply yourself! Just try a little harder”
We’d try harder, and then fail to meet expectations. Again and again and again, with no explanation why. And that takes its toll on someone after a while.
With chess, it just means that I tend to assume I’m the worse player in a game, assume that I’m somehow a fraud or got here by luck, and consequently I often overestimate the strength of my opponents. And, irritatingly, don’t always analyse their play for obvious mistakes!
It also means losses hit us like a freight train :(
Sorry if that was oversharing, I’m just trying to answer the questions as candidly as i can…
Yeah I got INCREDIBLY lucky. My personal blend of neurodivergency and mental issues made me a phenomenal tester without studying in every subject… it was everything else that I simply couldn’t do. Two of my classes in senior year (12th form) became asynchronous and online going into the second semester and my quarterly grades dropped dramatically. My physics quarterly grades were as follows: 100, 100, 55, 35. My statistics grades were: 100, 100, 65, 55. My final grades in those classes were 72 and 79. because I simply could not get myself to do essentially any of the assignments besides the tests. All my other classes were slightly better, I just tried to turn in most of my assignments and I ended with 90s, but I was struggling all year to keep up.
Jul 12, 2023
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#98
That’s interesting! I ended up doing actually pretty well in my final exams (three As) but when compared to my high achieving siblings it wasn’t so good
8thMarch2023 wrote:
I don't know if I believe that you haven't played them.
I certainly haven't, nor have I even heard of the roblox one.
You're better off trying to troll such places , pick on people your own side so to speak rather than getting rinsed and owned by us here ad nauseum.
I have a decade long consistent history here, yours is numbered in weeks...who would you believe?
You only speak for yourself, and you haven't owned anyone on thread or any others, much less me. I would think given the response you are getting on the forums that this would be abundantly clear already.