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Ashvapathi wrote:
Pryder wrote:

I think I will leave it upto GiveMetipspls to decide what he wants to take from this thread

 

See, this is the thing: all of you guys giving tips to these beginners don't know what the beginners are supposed to learn. So, you guys are trying to solve a problem without understanding it.

Now, I'll tell you what beginners have to learn from their games:

1) board vision.

2) blunder check (connected to board vision)

3) how the pieces coordinate particularly in mating attacks 

4) basic tactics.

 

And all of the above can be practiced quickly and effectively in blitz rather than rapid. Beginners need to play lots of games to drill in the above points. 20 short games are going to drill the idea of f7 mate much better than one long game. Beginners should prefer quantity over quality.

 

Anyway, you are right. GiveMeTipspls should decide what to do. I generally throw in my tips because I almost feel obliged not to let a beginner suffer due to bad advise. 

I know I should stop doing it. 🤐

Its ok not to agree with some of the advice given, but unless youre going to be specific, dont just use general terms like ..."bad advice."  Because your advice to play a lot of fast games can, and should be considered bad advice for beginners. 

Like i ask people....

When you learned how to read, did you learn to speed read first?  Or did you start with the basics?

When you learned how to drive a car.  Did you start my freeway driving doing 65, or did you start by going slow?

When you started to learn math.  Did you start with the basics, or did you jump right into Calculus?

You get my point.  But yes...it is up to the OP to decide what works best for them.

 

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Ok, let me ask the same question like this: how did you learn to read?

a) Did you spend 1 hr on understanding the grammatical intricracies of 1 classical sentence? 

OR

b) read several sentences(blundering many times).

 

Beginners learn with quantity not quality. This is something only someone who has experienced and remembers the 'beginnership' knows. You guys don't know how you learnt chess because it was long time ago.

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lol....a very good way to make the point Mr Bacon happy.png

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Ashvapathi wrote:

Ok, let me ask the same question like this: how did you learn to read?

a) Did you spend 1 hr on understanding the grammatical intricracies of 1 classical sentence? 

OR

b) read several sentences(blundering many times).

 

Beginners learn with quantity not quality. This is something only someone who has experienced and remembers the 'beginnership' knows. You guys don't know how you learnt chess because it was long time ago.

We started with how to sound out words like "cat"..."dog".  You cant be expected to read a sentence, if you do not know how to sound out the words.

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Pryder wrote:

lol....a very good way to make the point Mr Bacon

Thank You...I get off a good one every now and then.

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Your words: "Beginners learn with quantity not quality. "

You know how the pieces move.  And now you want to start learning tactics. 

You have a choice:

1.  I can give you Polgars book on 5000+ tactics, and let you at it.

2. We can sit down, and go over the basics of what a tactic is, and how to find them.

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IMBacon wrote:

Your words: "Beginners learn with quantity not quality. "

You know how the pieces move.  And now you want to start learning tactics. 

You have a choice:

1.  I can give you Polgars book on 5000+ tactics, and let you at it.

2. We can sit down, and go over the basics of what a tactic is, and how to find them.

 

Ok, let me modify what I said: beginners learn by practicing a lot. Quantity of practice over quality.

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Ashvapathi wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

Your words: "Beginners learn with quantity not quality. "

You know how the pieces move.  And now you want to start learning tactics. 

You have a choice:

1.  I can give you Polgars book on 5000+ tactics, and let you at it.

2. We can sit down, and go over the basics of what a tactic is, and how to find them.

 

Ok, let me modify what I said: beginners learn by practicing a lot. Quantity of practice over quality.

Again....your words: "beginners learn by practicing a lot. Quantity of practice over quality."

You have a student who knows how the pieces move.  They ask you what they should study next: 

1. You tell them go play over 1000 GM games. 

2. You sit down with them, and go over a GM game a week.

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IMBacon wrote:
Ashvapathi wrote:

Ok, let me ask the same question like this: how did you learn to read?

a) Did you spend 1 hr on understanding the grammatical intricracies of 1 classical sentence? 

OR

b) read several sentences(blundering many times).

 

Beginners learn with quantity not quality. This is something only someone who has experienced and remembers the 'beginnership' knows. You guys don't know how you learnt chess because it was long time ago.

We started with how to sound out words like "cat"..."dog".  You cant be expected to read a sentence, if you do not know how to sound out the words.

 

You forgot about alphabets. So, to read a single sentence correctly, a person has to quickly recognize all the alphabets and alphabet combinations (called words) and understand the grammar and the context to derive the meaning of the sentence.

But, with experience (quantity of practice), people get so good at this complex task that they don't even notice individual alphabets anymore. They can directly read alphabet combinations (words) even if the individual alphabets within a word are not placed in their proper order. All this is achieved by experience (quantity of practice). 

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IMBacon wrote:
Ashvapathi wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

Your words: "Beginners learn with quantity not quality. "

You know how the pieces move.  And now you want to start learning tactics. 

You have a choice:

1.  I can give you Polgars book on 5000+ tactics, and let you at it.

2. We can sit down, and go over the basics of what a tactic is, and how to find them.

 

Ok, let me modify what I said: beginners learn by practicing a lot. Quantity of practice over quality.

Again....your words: "beginners learn by practicing a lot. Quantity of practice over quality."

You have a student who knows how the pieces move.  They ask you what they should study next: 

1. You tell them go play over 1000 GM games. 

2. You sit down with them, and go over a GM game a week.

 

I will tell them to stay away from GM games. And study Morphy vs NN games. Crawl before run...

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Pryder wrote:

And jog before sprinting maybe

 

Run short distances first, before attempting full marathon. Do you advise an absolute beginner to go run full marathon? 😋

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@Pryder,

Then, why would you tell them to play longer games? 😉

Anyway, let OP decide. Peace.😎

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Stagger your pawns in a diagonal formation, make sure to castle, and get the important pieces out as soon as possible.
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mistertelleo wrote:
Stagger your pawns in a diagonal formation, make sure to castle, and get the important pieces out as soon as possible.

Eeeeeh.

I'm not really sure if staggering pawns is that much of a good idea. Could someone more qualified than me elaborate for us?

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"..., you have to make a decision: have tons of fun playing blitz (without learning much), or be serious and play with longer time controls so you can actually think.
One isn't better than another. Having fun playing bullet is great stuff, while 3-0 and 5-0 are also ways to get your pulse pounding and blood pressure leaping off the charts. But will you become a good player? Most likely not.
Of course, you can do both (long and fast games), ..." - IM Jeremy Silman (June 9, 2016)
https://www.chess.com/article/view/longer-time-controls-are-more-instructive

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Ashvapathi wrote:

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You have been here for years giving the crap/bad advice that a beginner should play blitz. This teaches many bad habits. Look at your play. You are playing for many years, but is not improving.

 

@ OP don't follow the advice of this poster. Majority of masters will tell you that blitz is bad for beginners.