Occam's Razor Supports that Hans Niemann did not cheat against Magnus, or in OTB in general.

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NervesofButter wrote:

Niemann lost to Robson.  Is his implant failing?  Is he not cheating?  Is the pressure getting to him?  Have aliens tired of him?  Is all the security checks taking its toll? 

Stay tuned...

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/us-championship-2022/6/1/4

 

Don’t you know he’s only cheating if he wins? Even his opponents seem to agree with that. 

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NervesofButter wrote:

Niemann lost to Robson.  Is his implant failing?  Is he not cheating?  Is the pressure getting to him?  Have aliens tired of him?  Is all the security checks taking its toll? 

Stay tuned...

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/us-championship-2022/6/1/4

I do not understand this attitude.  If you were Niemann, and if you were cheating...would you continue to cheat in this current situation, or would you back it off a while?

"Clearly the Malone gang is not robbing banks, because after the story broke about them, not one single bank has been robbed!"

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NervesofButter wrote:

Its called Humor.  But that is my fault.  I have to understand that not everyone will get it.

I wrote this in reply to your post after seeing RookNoob "did not get it".  He assumed the side you were on.  People will tend to do that.

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btickler wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:

Its called Humor.  But that is my fault.  I have to understand that not everyone will get it.

I wrote this in reply to your post after seeing RookNoob "did not get it".  He assumed the side you were on.  People will tend to do that.

What didn't I get? I was being sarcastic. Unless nervesofbutter was being serious about his implant failing. then yeah, I didn't get it.

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NervesofButter wrote:
rookNoob1982 wrote:
btickler wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:

Its called Humor.  But that is my fault.  I have to understand that not everyone will get it.

I wrote this in reply to your post after seeing RookNoob "did not get it".  He assumed the side you were on.  People will tend to do that.

What didn't I get? I was being sarcastic. Unless nervesofbutter was being serious about his implant failing. then yeah, I didn't get it.

Helloooooo....sense of humor....playing around...joking....Is anyone there???

But I knew you were joking, that's why I replied. I thought you were in the Hans isnt cheating camp? Which I agree with.

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NervesofButter wrote:
rookNoob1982 wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
rookNoob1982 wrote:
btickler wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:

Its called Humor.  But that is my fault.  I have to understand that not everyone will get it.

I wrote this in reply to your post after seeing RookNoob "did not get it".  He assumed the side you were on.  People will tend to do that.

What didn't I get? I was being sarcastic. Unless nervesofbutter was being serious about his implant failing. then yeah, I didn't get it.

Helloooooo....sense of humor....playing around...joking....Is anyone there???

But I knew you were joking, that's why I replied. I thought you were in the Hans isnt cheating camp? Which I agree with.

The only camp im in regarding this is the: "This is making chess look bad" camp.  But it was bound to happen at some point.

Okay good to know. I was mislead by your dozens of posts arguing Hans wasn't cheating.

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NervesofButter wrote:
rookNoob1982 wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
rookNoob1982 wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
rookNoob1982 wrote:
btickler wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:

Its called Humor.  But that is my fault.  I have to understand that not everyone will get it.

I wrote this in reply to your post after seeing RookNoob "did not get it".  He assumed the side you were on.  People will tend to do that.

What didn't I get? I was being sarcastic. Unless nervesofbutter was being serious about his implant failing. then yeah, I didn't get it.

Helloooooo....sense of humor....playing around...joking....Is anyone there???

But I knew you were joking, that's why I replied. I thought you were in the Hans isnt cheating camp? Which I agree with.

The only camp im in regarding this is the: "This is making chess look bad" camp.  But it was bound to happen at some point.

Okay good to know. I was mislead by your dozens of posts arguing Hans wasn't cheating.

Really?  I dont recall ever saying he wasn't cheating.  What i have said is that none of us know.  And i have posted that i dont really care either way.   The only thing im concerned with is how it hurts the game.   I have posted that until proven otherwise I do give him the benefit of the doubt.  That could be taken as i dont think he cheated i guess.

I don't really see how this is hurting the game. Chess is more popular than ever. This has been the best free publicity Chess could have hoped for. It's not like Hans or Magnus invented the possibility of cheating in Chess, they just took it mainstream.

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NervesofButter wrote:
btickler wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:

Its called Humor.  But that is my fault.  I have to understand that not everyone will get it.

I wrote this in reply to your post after seeing RookNoob "did not get it".  He assumed the side you were on.  People will tend to do that.

Gotcha...I treat these things like politicians treat bills they vote on.  I don't really read them.


That’s the proper approach to most forums. If you ever read one of those bills, you’ll understand why members of Congress don’t read them.

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NervesofButter wrote:
rookNoob1982 wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
rookNoob1982 wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
rookNoob1982 wrote:
btickler wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:

Its called Humor.  But that is my fault.  I have to understand that not everyone will get it.

I wrote this in reply to your post after seeing RookNoob "did not get it".  He assumed the side you were on.  People will tend to do that.

What didn't I get? I was being sarcastic. Unless nervesofbutter was being serious about his implant failing. then yeah, I didn't get it.

Helloooooo....sense of humor....playing around...joking....Is anyone there???

But I knew you were joking, that's why I replied. I thought you were in the Hans isnt cheating camp? Which I agree with.

The only camp im in regarding this is the: "This is making chess look bad" camp.  But it was bound to happen at some point.

Okay good to know. I was mislead by your dozens of posts arguing Hans wasn't cheating.

Really?  I dont recall ever saying he wasn't cheating.  What i have said is that none of us know.  And i have posted that i dont really care either way.   The only thing im concerned with is how it hurts the game.   I have posted that until proven otherwise I do give him the benefit of the doubt.  That could be taken as i dont think he cheated i guess.

Handling cheating quietly was what had been done before and it was what really hurt the game. It might have hurt reputation of Hans and Magnus, but the game and (clean) players in general are going to be the beneficiaries in the future. You don't want chess to become cycling in the 90s where everyone was forced to take PEDs if they wanted a fighting chance to compete, because everyone else was doping and nothing would happen even when they were caught.

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The Cycling Community must have been fully aware of what was going on back then even in Olympic Cycling. But did they say anything. Their silence on the issue speaks volumes, pun intended. Let’s hope that the Chess Community don’t making this a personal Witch Hunt against one person. 

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Ziryab wrote:

That’s the proper approach to most forums. If you ever read one of those bills, you’ll understand why members of Congress don’t read them.

Well, to be fair, most members of Congress read at a 1st grade level, so that may have something to do with it.

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Sonwwpq is 

 

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NervesofButter wrote:
MorningGlory84 wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
MorningGlory84 wrote:

I don't understand why anyone is investing too much emotional energy into defending one position or another.

Its the internet.  It gives people something to do while they wait for there welfare check. 

That and the search for purpose in a comfortable but atomised society where material needs are largely met. Arguing over public figures (secular gods) who don't know they exist fills a spiritual void. It can be observed across the internet and is fascinating anthropologically.

How many here heard of or even cared who Hans Moke Niemann was before all this started?  And now suddenly we have a forum full of experts on Niemann, Carlsen, cheating, math, how to post, grammar, religion. 

I prefer the old days when people would actually debate/discuss/argue face to face, when you could actually see people sweating, and stuttering.  Now?  You have to wait for someone to go search something so they appear to be the foremost expert on that subject. 

I cant wait for vacation.

Reminds me of December 2009 when Mayweather - Pacquiao was on the verge of being signed and Mayweather suddenly made demands for additional drug testing. Internet trenches were immediately dug and everyone became an overnight performance enhancing drug (PED) expert. This rattled on for five years until the fight actually happened and was a damp squib. There's a cautionary tale there: if Niemann and Carslen meet OTB again eventually, it will probably be a tedious draw.

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Occam's Razor in a contest between two, or more, equally valid hypothosis the one with the fewest assumptions is more likely to be true.

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Many super GMs have said they found nothing suspicious in his gameplay against Magnus. 

I also disagree his OTB performance is suspicious. 

Actual reputable sources have disputed that claim, such as those used by Regan.

The bachelor degree computer scientists on YouTube are 100 times less knowledgeable on the statistics Regan uses.

It's like a medical student thinking he knows more than 30 year practicing surgeon.

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Ziryab wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
btickler wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:

Its called Humor.  But that is my fault.  I have to understand that not everyone will get it.

I wrote this in reply to your post after seeing RookNoob "did not get it".  He assumed the side you were on.  People will tend to do that.

Gotcha...I treat these things like politicians treat bills they vote on.  I don't really read them.


That’s the proper approach to most forums. If you ever read one of those bills, you’ll understand why members of Congress don’t read them.

Why are u on all forums u sussy baka

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Maybe it's a false flag operation for the illuminati of which Carlsen is a member.

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rookNoob1982 wrote:

I don't really see how this is hurting the game. Chess is more popular than ever. This has been the best free publicity Chess could have hoped for.

Absolutely right. Irrespective of whether Niemann has cheated more than he has admitted to, at least people now realise that chess is important enough to bother cheating in the first place happy 

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bolt48 wrote:

Many super GMs have said they found nothing suspicious in his gameplay against Magnus. 

I also disagree his OTB performance is suspicious. 

Actual reputable sources have disputed that claim, such as those used by Regan.

The bachelor degree computer scientists on YouTube are 100 times less knowledgeable on the statistics Regan uses.

It's like a medical student thinking he knows more than 30 year practicing surgeon.

Many Super GMs have stated they see Niemann's play in several key games to be highly suspicious.  These are players who know a lot more about Chess than Ken Regan.  If you are going to dismiss ideas based on expertise (i.e. appeals to authority), you get into murky waters quickly in either direction.

Regan has stated nothing about, and his model does not look at, the rating increase.

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Someone posted an interview with Regan where he talked about Niemann’s rating increase in terms of his predictions. In that instance, he suggests that Niemann’s rating increase was a little surprising.