Occam's Razor in a contest between two, or more, equally valid hypothosis the one with the fewest assumptions is more likely to be true.
Occam's Razor Supports that Hans Niemann did not cheat against Magnus, or in OTB in general.

Many super GMs have said they found nothing suspicious in his gameplay against Magnus.
I also disagree his OTB performance is suspicious.
Actual reputable sources have disputed that claim, such as those used by Regan.
The bachelor degree computer scientists on YouTube are 100 times less knowledgeable on the statistics Regan uses.
It's like a medical student thinking he knows more than 30 year practicing surgeon.

Its called Humor. But that is my fault. I have to understand that not everyone will get it.
I wrote this in reply to your post after seeing RookNoob "did not get it". He assumed the side you were on. People will tend to do that.
Gotcha...I treat these things like politicians treat bills they vote on. I don't really read them.
That’s the proper approach to most forums. If you ever read one of those bills, you’ll understand why members of Congress don’t read them.
Why are u on all forums u sussy baka

I don't really see how this is hurting the game. Chess is more popular than ever. This has been the best free publicity Chess could have hoped for.
Absolutely right. Irrespective of whether Niemann has cheated more than he has admitted to, at least people now realise that chess is important enough to bother cheating in the first place

Many super GMs have said they found nothing suspicious in his gameplay against Magnus.
I also disagree his OTB performance is suspicious.
Actual reputable sources have disputed that claim, such as those used by Regan.
The bachelor degree computer scientists on YouTube are 100 times less knowledgeable on the statistics Regan uses.
It's like a medical student thinking he knows more than 30 year practicing surgeon.
Many Super GMs have stated they see Niemann's play in several key games to be highly suspicious. These are players who know a lot more about Chess than Ken Regan. If you are going to dismiss ideas based on expertise (i.e. appeals to authority), you get into murky waters quickly in either direction.
Regan has stated nothing about, and his model does not look at, the rating increase.

Someone posted an interview with Regan where he talked about Niemann’s rating increase in terms of his predictions. In that instance, he suggests that Niemann’s rating increase was a little surprising.

I think the main problem with these discussions is that there's a lot of evidence out there and different people have seen different things. I've considered creating a thread collating the evidence so everyone has the opportunity to have the same basis for debate but I'm concerned that it'd be a thankless task.

Regan is widely criticised as being more or less an academic or intellectual fraud, so that's another avenue of consideration. We have some academic frauds in these forums, similarly.
My instinct and also my acceptance of an enormous amount of evidence is to take accusations of academic and intellectual pretence seriously and I really would tend to believe that, sooner than I would beilieve an accusation that a specific person is cheating at chess. But when someone like Regan claims that Niemann is completely exonerated, I would tend to think that he is trying to act in the best interests of chess and in doing so, he may well be acting in its worst interests. I don't believe there's any reason to believe a word that Regan claims and therefore by implication, (implication in more senses than one!) Niemann too.
Those criticizing him in that manner do not know what they are talking about.
He did not exonerate Niemann. That nonsense is coming from people who either do not listen to/read what he has said, or those who completely fail to comprehend his statements.

I think the main problem with these discussions is that there's a lot of evidence out there and different people have seen different things. I've considered creating a thread collating the evidence so everyone has the opportunity to have the same basis for debate but I'm concerned that it'd be a thankless task.
I don't think there is that much evidence, there's a collection of factoids. That's something different. As Noam Chomsky has said of conspiracy theorists: "If you don't understand what an explanation is, a collection of factoids is an explanation."
Don't waste your time trying to reason with the unreasonable or reach the unreachable.

Regan is widely criticised as being more or less an academic or intellectual fraud, so that's another avenue of consideration. We have some academic frauds in these forums, similarly.
My instinct and also my acceptance of an enormous amount of evidence is to take accusations of academic and intellectual pretence seriously and I really would tend to believe that, sooner than I would beilieve an accusation that a specific person is cheating at chess. But when someone like Regan claims that Niemann is completely exonerated, I would tend to think that he is trying to act in the best interests of chess and in doing so, he may well be acting in its worst interests. I don't believe there's any reason to believe a word that Regan claims and therefore by implication, (implication in more senses than one!) Niemann too.
I have not seen any indication, nor heard any rumblings, of Regan being an academic fraud (and he is in my field). I'm curious where you are hearing this? The only criticisms I've seen are specifically with regards to his work in chess - that he simply is not a strong enough player to detect cheating at the top levels (note that criticism is not coming from me as he is a stronger player than I am, but from people who are in, have been in, or who have worked closely with people in the top 20 in the world).

The key evidence which I'm aware of is: Carlsen's statement. Niemann's statement. Chess.com's report. Dlugy's statement. Regan's analysis. Yoshu's analysis. Niemann's post match interviews. I'm sure there's more but that's quite a lot already. I doubt many of those passing judgement on this forum have taken it all into consideration.

I think the main problem with these discussions is that there's a lot of evidence out there and different people have seen different things. I've considered creating a thread collating the evidence so everyone has the opportunity to have the same basis for debate but I'm concerned that it'd be a thankless task.
I don't think there is that much evidence, there's a collection of factoids. That's something different. As Noam Chomsky has said of conspiracy theorists: "If you don't understand what an explanation is, a collection of factoids is an explanation."
Don't waste your time trying to reason with the unreasonable or reach the unreachable.
Exactly. What "evidence" has been presented? I do agree there is a butt-load of conjecture, opinion, and beliefs. But evidence?
It doesn't help that separate strands are being (in some cases disingenuously) conflated. There are three main strands to contend with.
- Hans' online cheating: he admits to some of it, Chess.com contends it's more serious and has presented their evidence in support of that view.
- Hans' alleged cheating in the specific OTB game at Sinquefield: Looks like he probably didn't cheat, Carlsen sincerely believes he did and handled it badly.
- Hans' alleged OTB cheating more generally. Evidence: his unusual ratings rise.
Note that, short of a confession, these will never be fully resolved. Niemann is clearly a talented player regardless who probably has some moderate to serious personality disorders (narcissism/sociopathy). The extent of his talent will only be known with the fullness of time and I personally think he should be permitted to play on.
Carlsen has built himself up into a bit of a tower around this now and it will be difficult for him to climb down, especially given he probably feels he doesn't "need" to given his position in the game.
As for elaborate conspiracy theories (including those implying a Carlsen/Chess.com/Nakamura Axis of Evil) they can be disregarded.

The key evidence which I'm aware of is: Niemann's statement. Chess.com's statement. Dlugy's statement. Regan's analysis. Yoshu's analysis. Niemann's post match interviews. I'm sure there's more but that's quite a lot already. I doubt many of those passing judgement on this forum have taken it all into consideration.
Depends what you mean by "taken it all into consideration". They may be aware of it, but they probably don't know how to fit it all together cogently, if that's even possible. Even if one could, it's still a matter of judgement, albeit informed judgement, and will not resolve the specific Sinquefield Cup game allegation.

3. Hans' alleged OTB cheating more generally. Evidence: his unusual ratings rise.
I would add that to this a bit: it isn't just the unusual rise in the ratings, but several specific games against extremely strong players that are rather unusual.

Its called Humor. But that is my fault. I have to understand that not everyone will get it.
I wrote this in reply to your post after seeing RookNoob "did not get it". He assumed the side you were on. People will tend to do that.
Gotcha...I treat these things like politicians treat bills they vote on. I don't really read them.
That’s the proper approach to most forums. If you ever read one of those bills, you’ll understand why members of Congress don’t read them.
If I remember correctly there was one member of congress who did often read entire bills. Ron Paul. I think that might be why he almost always voted no.

#206: I think we're all waiting for proof but we may never get it. It might be that statistical analysis of existing data can provide proof. FIDE's findings will go some way to settling the issue but we may need security which people believe in and data from future matches before we'll be confident that we know what has happened in Niemann's recent matches.

I think the main problem with these discussions is that there's a lot of evidence out there and different people have seen different things. I've considered creating a thread collating the evidence so everyone has the opportunity to have the same basis for debate but I'm concerned that it'd be a thankless task.
I don't think there is that much evidence, there's a collection of factoids. That's something different. As Noam Chomsky has said of conspiracy theorists: "If you don't understand what an explanation is, a collection of factoids is an explanation."
Don't waste your time trying to reason with the unreasonable or reach the unreachable.
Exactly. What "evidence" has been presented? I do agree there is a butt-load of conjecture, opinion, and beliefs. But evidence?
I always thought opinion was evidence. In a trial an expert will give their opinion. That's evidence. Even a minor traffic ticket the officer's opinion is usually the "preponderance of evidence". Which is good enough to convict in probably over 90% of cases.
Plus the past admissions, plus the unusual rating increases. Plus the weird excuses and explanations. That's all evidence. It's not proof, but it's evidence.

Its called Humor. But that is my fault. I have to understand that not everyone will get it.
I wrote this in reply to your post after seeing RookNoob "did not get it". He assumed the side you were on. People will tend to do that.
Gotcha...I treat these things like politicians treat bills they vote on. I don't really read them.
That’s the proper approach to most forums. If you ever read one of those bills, you’ll understand why members of Congress don’t read them.
If I remember correctly there was one member of congress who did often read entire bills. Ron Paul. I think that might be why he almost always voted no.
Ron Paul was an interesting character.
I don't understand why anyone is investing too much emotional energy into defending one position or another.
Its the internet. It gives people something to do while they wait for there welfare check.
That and the search for purpose in a comfortable but atomised society where material needs are largely met. Arguing over public figures (secular gods) who don't know they exist fills a spiritual void. It can be observed across the internet and is fascinating anthropologically.
How many here heard of or even cared who Hans Moke Niemann was before all this started? And now suddenly we have a forum full of experts on Niemann, Carlsen, cheating, math, how to post, grammar, religion.
I prefer the old days when people would actually debate/discuss/argue face to face, when you could actually see people sweating, and stuttering. Now? You have to wait for someone to go search something so they appear to be the foremost expert on that subject.
I cant wait for vacation.
Reminds me of December 2009 when Mayweather - Pacquiao was on the verge of being signed and Mayweather suddenly made demands for additional drug testing. Internet trenches were immediately dug and everyone became an overnight performance enhancing drug (PED) expert. This rattled on for five years until the fight actually happened and was a damp squib. There's a cautionary tale there: if Niemann and Carslen meet OTB again eventually, it will probably be a tedious draw.