No amazing coincidence, I have NEVER refused a rematch after winning with white. I have too much respect for my opponent. And do you really think ratings are relevant? If so, you miss the point entirely regarding sportsmanship.
Of course you owe a rematch
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Jan 27, 2016
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Daballs1106 wrote:
It appears I hit a nerve with some folks, perhaps you are guilty of win and run? Either way, obviously if you play long games (I stick with 10 minute games) than it is conceivable you have a good reason for not playing another, or occasionally there is a legitimate reason to run after winning playing white. However, it is not coincidence that when I look at the profiles of people that have stiffed me without a rematch, that there are a lot of comments posted by others who were stiffed by the same guy. And the fact that your black and white games will eventually even out or that you are required to play black a consecutive number of times is not relevant to the argument. What is relevant is that in the VAST majority of cases, rematches are only refused when the other guy's turn is to play black. See how many times you are refused if you are offering to play black in the rematch. You can deny all you want, but the reality is my original premise.
Whether or not I accept a rematch has nothing to do with color.
I may have been Black and lost, but if you turn the chat off or play garbage for openings, I'm not even accepting your rematch when you won already with White!
So no, I don't buy it. Just because you lose with Black doesn't mean we owe you sheet!
If I lose with Black, I move on. If he offers a rematch and I have time and he's a legit player to face that doesn't just play BS chess, then fine, I'll accept, but I am not going out of my way to rematch you just because I had Black or White the first game.
Personally I hate playing rematches
In my humble and very low rated opinion, unless you're 2000+ or something, I don't see any decisive or even significant advantage as white.
If you take chess at all seriously, you should be able to competently play both sides of the board competitively. You don't have separate ratings for white and black, and in most tournaments you don't get to face opponents as both colors.
If for any reason one person doesn't wish for a rematch, that doesn't make them dishonorable, or any of the other derogatory terms you've colorfully described the opponents you've failed to beat.
I hardly ever play more than 3 blitz games in a row, because I don't have much more time for anything more.
If I win a game, and don't accept a rematch, It's almost always because I'm busy. I'll usually try to shoot my opponent a message why, and thank them for a good game.
Throwing a fit about this is a whole lot more pitiful than not accepting a rematch.
Daballs1106 wrote:
No amazing coincidence, I have NEVER refused a rematch after winning with white. I have too much respect for my opponent. And do you really think ratings are relevant? If so, you miss the point entirely regarding sportsmanship.
More assumption. You are now assuming that not offering/accepting a rematch means you dont respect your opponent. Its choice, that simple.
Say Good Game, and move on to the next opponent. This topic has been beaten to death, and you will get the usual responses.
1. Rematches are mandatory
2. Rematches arent mandatory
The End...
white has no advantage unless ur an extremely high rated player
Diakonia wrote:
Riten wrote:
Diakonia wrote:
Until chess.com changes the rules and makes rematches mandatory, you are NOT required to offer/accept a rematch. I dont offer/accept rematches as i like to play different people. I dont have the desire to satisfy anyones ego caused by the loss of an unrated online chess game.
Let me also add this. If you have ever played in an OTB tournament and lost? Did you ask that the next round be delayed so you could play the same person again so its "fair"?
I think you can't compare internet games to the OTB (tournament) games. 1.) For me (and for the majority of people) the OTB games are much more important and serious. I want to improve my FIDE rating but I don't care about the Internet ratings.
2.) The OTB games are usually part of tournaments where you have a definit opponent every round. But in the Internet games I think he was writing about non-tournament (rated or unrated) games, where you can play with anyone.
Exactly my point. If youre arent obligated to rematch in something important like an TB game, why is it so important to get a rematch in an online game that means nothing?
Because you play for fun. Ok, there are some other reasons like improve your game, etc but the main reason is playing FOR FUN. In the OTB tournaments the result is often more important than having fun. This is my opinion but I understand your point too.
Riten wrote:
Diakonia wrote:
Riten wrote:
Diakonia wrote:
Until chess.com changes the rules and makes rematches mandatory, you are NOT required to offer/accept a rematch. I dont offer/accept rematches as i like to play different people. I dont have the desire to satisfy anyones ego caused by the loss of an unrated online chess game.
Let me also add this. If you have ever played in an OTB tournament and lost? Did you ask that the next round be delayed so you could play the same person again so its "fair"?
I think you can't compare internet games to the OTB (tournament) games. 1.) For me (and for the majority of people) the OTB games are much more important and serious. I want to improve my FIDE rating but I don't care about the Internet ratings.
2.) The OTB games are usually part of tournaments where you have a definit opponent every round. But in the Internet games I think he was writing about non-tournament (rated or unrated) games, where you can play with anyone.
Exactly my point. If youre arent obligated to rematch in something important like an TB game, why is it so important to get a rematch in an online game that means nothing?
Because you play for fun. Ok, there are some other reasons like improve your game, etc but the main reason is playing FOR FUN. In the OTB tournaments the result is often more important than having fun. This is my opinion but I understand your point too.
I agree with you. OTB play is the best. This online stuff? Actually does nothing for me except to kill time and play a game i enjoy.
Jan 27, 2016
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I don't offer rematches nor do I accept them. As with tournaments, win or lose I move on to my next opponent. It's to bad that people feel entitled to things from others or decide another persons behavior is bad because they don't hold the same views on a particular issue like rematches. I think it speaks more about the accuser than the accused.
Candidate35 wrote:
I don't offer rematches nor do I accept them. As with tournaments, win or lose I move on to my next opponent. It's to bad that people feel entitled to things from others or decide another persons behavior is bad because they don't hold the same views on a particular issue like rematches. I think it speaks more about the accuser than the accused.
Nice post!
What does it say about the mindset of someone when the knee jerk reaction to not getting another game is always something negative, a long with the usual online BS of being scared, and running. Pretty much illustrates the low self-esteem of people.
It appears the mindset of at least a percentage of the chess.com population differs from the sports world. In that world if someone uttered, "I never offer rematches," it wouldn't take long before you'll end up only playing with yourself (pun intended). Athletes would recognize the attitude as weakness and with contempt. It really is quite pathetic...
Jan 27, 2016
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I don't owe anyone anything. I'm the lender and borrowers are subject to the lender.
@OP - LAU ;-) Got your goat and we're keeping it!
Daballs1106 wrote:
It appears the mindset of at least a percentage of the chess.com population differs from the sports world. In that world if someone uttered, "I never offer rematches," it wouldn't take long before you'll end up only playing with yourself (pun intended). Athletes would recognize the attitude as weakness and with contempt. It really is quite pathetic...
Just my opinion but maybe you should be more concerned about having fun playing a game instead of trying to psychoanalyze people over the interwebz. Trying to act you like know people are "scared" and "run" is ridiculous. And the Nike mentality isnt working either.
I must have missed the moment Tom Brady was asking for another game against Denver.
I know of a player who is always online everytime I log on, and who always accepts rematch requests. Perhaps he is your ideal opponent.
Here's his profile:
https://www.chess.com/members/view/Computer1-EASY#games
>simply slink away after winning playing white
This isn't GM chess. If you lost as black, it isn't because of white's theoretical advantage.
The problem is with the premise "win and run"...you are just assuming the "run" part, based on your own ego.
If you want to play live chess on the server, you are essentially opening up a vast anonymous chess game pez dispenser, and there's really no other way to look at it. If you want games with discourse and etiquette, try joining a group. What you are doing is like wading into a mosh pit at a heavy metal concert and then getting irritated every time someone is bumping into you...the logic doesn't follow.
I never give rematches to anyone in live chess, under any circumstances. Nor do I ask for them. Why would I? It's a lose-lose scenario:
- Some people will win the next game, and berate you, as if your win was a fluke, but theirs was the "natural order of things".
- Some people will lose the rematch and get pissed off, accuse you of cheating, etc.
- Some people will break out their engine for the rematch, because they just want you to lose at any cost for having dared to best them.
- Some people will be polite
On live chess, your odds of a positive rematch outcome are in the minority. Whereas, if you join a group of like-minded chess players and play chess there, the latter option will be the most likely result. This is not hard to understand, it's the same result you will get on any street corner with any kind of endeavor...appeal to the general public for the better parts of human nature, and you will be disappointed.
If you are a hiring manager and you run to the nearest bus stop and shout "first person to raise their hand gets a job!", then you deserve what you get. Find the right people and then...play chess with those people.
If you are going to play live chess and want peace and tranquility, don't expect rematches, and don't leave chat on.