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dashkee94 wrote:
When I'm totally lost and have no hope, I sometimes--sometimes--offer a draw a second before I resign. It's a little joke I do sometimes, but once, on the ICC, a player actually gave me a draw in a position that I was one move away from checkmate, so I don't do it that much anymore. But it's not like I'm trying to save the game or annoy the other guy; I hit the draw offer about 1 second before I resign.
You may not be trying to "annoy the other guy", but you are probably succeeding in doing so with effortless ease.
Aug 8, 2015
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#25
I agree players should resign in lost positions but can you really determine what is a lost and a drawn position. the following position appears to be lost for white however it is book draw.
Sometimes people might feel harassed by multiple draw offers when they are completely legitimate: In online chess a draw offer also means automatically checking for a three-fold repitition.
Aug 8, 2015
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#27
Gunvald123 skrev:
bobbyDK hat geschrieben:
I agree players should resign in lost positions but can you really determine what is a lost and a drawn position. the following position appears to be lost for white however it is book draw.
you need to work on your endgames if this appears as lost to you for white. so what was your point exactly?
my point is I have had this position is some games and offered draw because I know it is a draw I even sacrificed a piece to get to this position and people turn it down I think some think I offer draw in a lost position and they just cannot find the win.
I think in this case it right to do many draw offers because it is a draw.
bobbyDK wrote:
Gunvald123 skrev:
bobbyDK hat geschrieben:
I agree players should resign in lost positions but can you really determine what is a lost and a drawn position. the following position appears to be lost for white however it is book draw.
you need to work on your endgames if this appears as lost to you for white. so what was your point exactly?
my point is I have had this position is some games and offered draw because I know it is a draw I even sacrificed a piece to get to this position and people turn it down I think some think I offer draw in a lost position and they just cannot find the win.
I think in this case it right to do many draw offers because it is a draw.
It's very obviously not a lost position so it has nothing to do with this thread.
Aug 8, 2015
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#29
my point is do you really know all book draws to determine that you really have a lost position against you.
bobbyDK wrote:
my point is do you really know all book draws to determine that you really have a lost position against you.
Of course not. It takes 2 seconds of thinking to see that the position you gave is drawn. If it is not obvious that the position is drawn, then playing on is waranted.
chessmicky wrote:
You're winning. Your opponent offers a draw. you decline. No big deal
You're winning. Your opponent offers a draw. You explode in self-righteous rage. You're a moron.
It's that simple
Who's exploding? I see no one. Offering a draw when mate is forced is rude and unlikable.
Aug 8, 2015
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#32
Reb wrote:
BSKGN wrote:
To me it seems very rude to offer a draw when you're clearly losing. It's just a distraction and there really is no excuse for it.
Am I crazy?
You are not crazy and you are correct . I have had people in completely lost positions that they really should resign offer multiple draw offers , offer to abort the game , offer to adjourn the game while they sit and wait for their time to run out . Then they wonder why I won't give them a rematch ! ?
Rematch requests after such behavior spawn whiney threads on chess.com. But we get accused of bullying when we post in those threads that we refused the rematch because we've had enough time with asses just getting our gold out of the mountains.
They are effin' ludicrous.
chessmicky wrote:
It's trivial and meaningless. Only a professional offense-taker cares
If you're in a clearly drawn position in an OTB tournament and your opponent dead seriously says; "Can you please resign? I really want to win", are you telling me you'd not find this tasteless?
Aug 8, 2015
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#34
I was playing someone who I was beating and they offered a draw about 20 times during a 3 minute game. I wondered what they were getting out of it or were hoping to achieve. Then again, they're probably about 30 years younger than I am. No big deal but it is bad form I think
kingbooly wrote:
if offering a draw in a lost position is bad then surely you are impling they should resign everytime a pawn is lost which just seems stupid to me
No. I am clearly not implying that. Challenging your opponent to convert their advantage is not the same as suggesting that they give up and take a draw.
Me and my opponent had opposite colored bishops and one pawn each. The pawns were locked head to head and my bishop was aligned next (forward) to the pawn. His was the same.
I offered him a draw and he refused. Then he started rolling his bishop in the straight diagonal and calling me out. I simply started rolling around my king. Then he started calling me names and whatnot.
And guess what ... I lost that game on time even though no piece was captured for 50 moves ... (I have posted a thread about it in the complaints section ...)
Aug 8, 2015
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#37
I had an opponent offer a draw a little early in a balanced and drawish position. I refused, but he continued offering a draw every single move for nearly ten moves with no appreciable change in the position. After the first refusal, he should have known that I intend to play until we had lone kings. Nonetheless, when I no longer had even the remotest prospect of winning, I offered a draw. He refused. We played another 70 moves.
I started this thread (which everyone ignores) with the game: http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/post-your-most-ridiculous-game
Pikay wrote:
And guess what ... I lost that game on time even though no piece was captured for 50 moves ... (I have posted a thread about it in the complaints section ...)
On that case just hit the draw button to claim a draw, and chess.com will draw the game (your opponent has no choice). Same with three repetition, you need to claim the draw.
Ziryab wrote:
I had an opponent offer a draw a little early in a balanced and drawish position. I refused, but he continued offering a draw every single move for nearly ten moves with no appreciable change in the position. After the first refusal, he should have known that I intend to play until we had lone kings. Nonetheless, when I no longer had even the remotest prospect of winning, I offered a draw. He refused. We played another 70 moves.
I started this thread (which everyone ignores) with the game: http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/post-your-most-ridiculous-game
Now that's what a real man would do.
My guess is that Kaynight routinely offers draw when he's about to lose. I can't see any other reason to be as defensive as he seems to be here.