On Line Turn Based Cheating

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Steve_Hewlett

A week ago I reported a case of online 3 day turn based cheating to chess.com and absolutely nothing has been done. Apparently it is okay to use a chess engine in these type of games. The cheater has a Live rating of 1057 and his online chess rating is 1682. An examination of the types of moves being made in both types of chess soon reveals that there are two different "players" at work here. 

As soon as my current chess.com games are done I am deleting my chess.com account. chess.com simply doesn't care about cheating by lower ranked players in turn based chess. If I wanted to play a chess engine I would simply download one to my PC.

ForeverHoldYourPiece

Your opponent: 

Blitz: (8 W/ 8 L / 1 D) 

Online: (6 W/ 0 L / 0 D)  

Stop being paranoid. 

chyss

1682 is fairly low. You'd expect someone cheating to be way over 2000. Also, some people spend hours on each move in turn-based games boosting their quality considerably. Did you have any other evidence?

Steve_Hewlett

Play the blitz and online games through ... this is not the same player doing both.

jurassicmark
Steve_Hewlett wrote:

Play the blitz and online games through ... this is not the same player doing both.

Unfortunately, you cannot compare blitz to online.  It would be common for this to look like two different players.

jurassicmark

Wait a minute...I'm confused.  The only person you've "ever" lost to (you have one loss) does not even have a live chess rating.  What are we talking about?

Steve_Hewlett

The person I lost to deserved the win. It was a tight even game and a mouseslip left my Queen on prise.

I don't think chess.com has the resources or will  to police cheating in turn-based games.

ForeverHoldYourPiece

You think so? They used to have a list of players banned. This list increased by a few members every 30 minutes or so. 

Wait for your ticket to be answered, it will be. 

brecoul

I know of more than one case of accounts being shut down because of cheating. But you'll need some serious evidence. My own rating (blitz, standard, online) is absolutely different and game quality incomparable. Obviously, because my dedication is also much bigger when it comes to online analysis, research with database, second thougts and so on.

Honestly, I don't see a solid case with just what you've shown. Call for a rematch. Play a few times and observe.

Furthermore relax and enjoy good chess! Cheers!

Martin_Stahl
Steve_Hewlett wrote:

A week ago I reported a case of online 3 day turn based cheating to chess.com and absolutely nothing has been done. Apparently it is okay to use a chess engine in these type of games.

While I can't speak to the specific process, one game is usuallly not enough to ban someone, unless it is extremely obvious ... even then, I'm not 100% sure one game like that will do it. Your opponent doesn't have many games in correspondence so if it is occurring, it may take a little while to have anything happen.

But it isn't allowed. There is just a high burden of proof in such situations.

Steve_Hewlett

It's extremely obvious. Oddly enough this person can't be found using the "View Players" search feature. chess.com is a joke when it comes to policing chess engine use.

Steve_Hewlett

As I mentioned in a previous post I will finish my current games and then sign off. Would you care to play a Live Standard game instead of making insipid comments?

ForeverHoldYourPiece

I do love a good insipid comment, with a side of sarcasm and passive aggressive.

coalescenet

If someone is using an engine they will have a higher rating than 1600.

adumbrate

no cheating there. 1600 online is super easy to get, 1000 blitz and 1600 online is completely normal

YallPlayCheckers

Relax, he hasn't even played 30 games yet. Ratings take time and a lot more games to balance out

Ratings


Live Chess - Blitz

1075

Online Chess

1695
jurassicmark
KnightOfDaLivingDead wrote:
Relax, he hasn't even played 30 games yet. Ratings take time and a lot more games to balance out Ratings
Live Chess - Blitz
1075
Highest: 1204 (May 9, 2015) Best Win: 1113  Avg. Opp.: 1039 Total Games: 22 (11 W/ 10 L / 1 D)
Online Chess
1695
Highest: 1695 (May 30, 2015) Avg. Opp.: 1311 Best Win: 1511  Today‘s Rank: #30,379 of 454,366 (93.2%) Timeouts: 0% (last 90 days) Time/Move: 3 hr Total Games: 7 (7 W/ 0 L / 0 D)

That's not his opponent.  His opponent has zero live chess games.

Steve_Hewlett

That is the opponent in question. As far as kaynight goes, his posts speak for themselves ... he'd rather make insipid comments than play chess.

jurassicmark

Then you're talking about an opponnent in a ongoing game?  Because your only loss is not to the guy with the stats posted here.

wanmokewan

Since you're so dead set on the idea that the person is cheating and you intend to leave anyway, just resign your games and don't let the door hit your butt on the way out.