One major reason we remain weak players

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urk
We play moves that we're comfortable with, rather than striving hard to seek out that best move and going with it, no matter how uncomfortable.

I've seen this countless times, in myself and others.

I improved a lot when I really started striving for accuracy but I know I still have this tendency to stay within my comfort zone.
America_de_Cali

 I guess that's why you (we) should read or study chess more, not just playing games. Personally I have a hard time with books. But if you just play 5 or 10 minute games it's hard to get out of the habit. There's just no time to explore new stuff. 

I'm way too impatient for 15/10 games and I also have a lower rating there but I'm finally starting to play them more often to try and reach that higher level of concentration. 

 

notabjoe

How do you feel about aggressive play? I find myself searching for the ultimate forced game against my opponent.

urk
Aggressive players have the same problem.
When I say I tend to stay within my comfort zone I don't mean to say I play too passively. I love to attack.

If you're not playing defensive moves that you need to play then you're not striving hard enough to play the best move. If you don't have enough patience in your attack or you fail to play an awkward looking move that is correct for concrete reasons then you're wallowing within your comfort zone.

But usually staying too far within your zone does mean playing too passively and being too eager to exchange pieces. I've seen a lot of that.
llama

I've experienced that, but for me it involved trying to be less accurate... well I guess I should say less calculation. I started forcing myself to play moves that are supposed to work, and not worrying about my opponent's rating, or some complication I can't calculate... maybe the way to say it is playing with more confidence.

But for me, that was uncomfortable. So your post reminded me of it. Playing in my comfort zone meant paying safe looking moves all the time.

thegreat_patzer

its interesting though,

and maybe this is because I am a much weaker player than you guys.

 

but I feel I'm not comfortable enough in the chess I play.   not familiar enough with the major plans and ideas.  

 

do you think lesser players need to immerse themselves into common positions more often; to try to see the "patterns" that they lose to in game after game?

 

 

urk
You can "immerse yourself into common positions more often" by playing the same opening over and over, and there's a lot to be said for that, but you should be trying hard to play the opening better and better and transitioning better into the middlegames and endgames.

Speaking from tournament experience, low rates players do not try to find the best moves. Don't even try. They just play what they wanna play.
OscarFabricant
Really? Thanks. I have problems with studying and uncomfortably but I guess I could try that.
notabjoe

I find that working with the same openings is a good way to tune up your game. Search for equality to the middle game and hopefully have a good attack that leads you to an equal end game. If not a victory. Use the analize feature to plot out the next 5 or more moves.

MrLogician

urk wrote:

We play moves that we're comfortable with, rather than striving hard to seek out that best move and going with it, no matter how uncomfortable.

I've seen this countless times, in myself and others.

I improved a lot when I really started striving for accuracy but I know I still have this tendency to stay within my comfort zone.

U r very ryt

llama
urk wrote:

Speaking from tournament experience, low rates players do not try to find the best moves. Don't even try. They just play what they wanna play.

I (think) I know what you mean, but that's sort of unfair. You have to find a move you like before you can try to find out what's bad about it. Sometimes finding a move they like takes a lot of effort and is an accomplishment, so then they play it. If they tried to find multiple decent moves, then compare to find the best, they'd need way too much time and effort to complete a single game.

llama
alexm2310 wrote:
Isn't chess much more fun outside your comfort zone? Awkward moves in complicated positions are really fun imo

Then I'd guess that outside your comfort zone are dry technical positions wink.png

llama
thegreat_patzer wrote:

its interesting though,

and maybe this is because I am a much weaker player than you guys.

 

but I feel I'm not comfortable enough in the chess I play.   not familiar enough with the major plans and ideas.  

 

do you think lesser players need to immerse themselves into common positions more often; to try to see the "patterns" that they lose to in game after game?

I think that's what he means. Playing outside your comfort zone doesn't mean playing speculative moves. Most of all I think he means don't get stuck in a rut, doing the same things over and over. Basically not to have a bias towards certain moves, ideas, position, etc. Instead try to be objective. What makes it uncomfortable is falsifying your idea. You find a move / idea you really like... and then you spend a lot of energy trying to find out why it might be terrible tongue.png

Not being familiar with major plans and ideas is a good point to bring up. If most (or all) moves already feel bad, then IMO it's enough to find a move you do like. As you get more familiar, you'll be able to find decent looking moves almost instantly, and then your energy is spent primarily on finding the bad points of those moves.

Diakonia

I fully understand why i will never rise above USCF Class B, after being an A player.  And laziness is exactly the reason.  I put in the effort to make A class, and then i was satisfied.  I realized i didnt want to work that hard to get better.  Im happier enjoying the game, then working at the game.  I study what i want, when i want, and how i want.    

llama
alexm2310 wrote:
Telestu wrote:
alexm2310 wrote:
Isn't chess much more fun outside your comfort zone? Awkward moves in complicated positions are really fun imo

Then I'd guess that outside your comfort zone are dry technical positions

Lol, no those can still be fun, just not as much 

I don't know. I wonder how many players would trade an attacking position for something like this (even though this is pretty much a totally winning position).

isabela14

My first 6-8 moves are predictable and all within my comfort zone. However, my strategies changes depending the strength of my opponent. Against a much superior player, this is where I leave my comfort zone and make some "calculated" risk. Of course, I failed most often. Most experienced and patient players recognize weak moves. I played someone who just randomly moved pieces around without regards to position or point of attack. I was completely taken out of my comfort zone and started to make moves out of my norm. I barely beat the guy....rated 1080.😃

Diakonia
isabela14 wrote:

My first 6-8 moves are predictable and all within my comfort zone. However, my strategies changes depending the strength of my opponent. Against a much superior player, this is where I leave my comfort zone and make some "calculated" risk. Of course, I failed most often. Most experienced and patient players recognize weak moves. I played someone who just randomly moved pieces around without regards to position or point of attack. I was completely taken out of my comfort zone and started to make moves out of my norm. I barely beat the guy....rated 1080.😃

Play the board, not the rating.

mikesully52

I'm not rated high in the slightest, partly because I generally play friendly otb games. So take what I saw with a grain of salt. Playing moves that you are familiar with is the entirety of chess itself. From the back rank mate to the scotch game opening. Sure, you have to look for when you can use a certain tactic and be aware of how to develop your pieces in a safe manner, but all of these moves should be comfortable to you. Even your blunders should feel right, when you make the move. Comfortable moves are comfortable because, you know exactly why your making the move (regardless of whether or not it's the best move). You losing a game is your opponent  showing you where you are weak. In the words of Mazer Rackham "I am your enemy, the first one you've ever had who was smarter than you. There is no teacher but the enemy. No one but the enemy will ever tell you what the enemy is going to do. No one but the enemy will ever teach you how to destroy and conquer. Only the enemy shows you where you are weak. Only the enemy tells you where he is strong. And the rules of the game are what you can do to him and what you can stop him from doing to you. I am your enemy from now on. From now on, I am your teacher."

SAGM001

Just follow your Coach's advice , You will easily cross 2200 . I , myself is the Evidence happy.png

llama
mikesully52 wrote:

I'm not rated high in the slightest, partly because I generally play friend otb games. So take what I saw with a grain of salt. Playing moves that you are familiar with is the entirety of chess itself. From the back rank mate to the scotch game opening. Sure, you have to look for when you can use a certain tactic and be aware of how to develop your pieces in a safe manner, but all of these moves should be comfortable to you. Even your blunders should feel right, when you make the move. Comfortable moves are comfortable because, you know exactly why your making the move (regardless of whether or not it's the best move). You losing a game is your opponent  showing you where you are weak. In the words of Mazer Rackham "I am your enemy, the first one you've ever had who was smarter than you. There is no teacher but the enemy. No one but the enemy will ever tell you what the enemy is going to do. No one but the enemy will ever teach you how to destroy and conquer. Only the enemy shows you where you are weak. Only the enemy tells you when he is strong. And the rules of the game are what you can do to him and what you can stop him from doing to you. I am your enemy from now on. From now on, I am your teacher."

Maybe this would be a good example.

White moves Qb3, what do you do?

 

In this and similar positions, the right move is to ignore the attack on b7 and play Nc6.

Here's an example where you're white.

 

Again, the right response is Nc3.

You may know from general knowledge of positions like these that you can ignore the attack, and if the opponent wins the pawn, you'll get the better position.

You may also know that defending with b6 or b3 is bad for you. But that doesn't mean when the position appears on the board it will be comfortable for you to play what you know is right, and resist the temptation to make the simple (but bad) defensive move happy.png