bb_gum234 wrote:
Are you asking if Morphy could score better than 10 in a 100 game match?
Yeah, could Morphy win a few games?
Paul Morphy vs. Magnus Carlsen...
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bb_gum234 wrote:
Honestly I'd be surprised if Morphy could win a single game.
Morphy is of course high, if not #1, on the list of most gifted or brilliant players. But in terms of absolute strength he can't compare to modern world champions. And even among modern world champs, Carlsen is distinguishing himself.
but would the games be close? Like what rating could Morphy play?
Does Morphy have time to prep?? Maybe 6 months to catch up on Theory? Or are we just having them play at peak?
lol no time to prep...just both play at their peak :)
and woww 2450?? You think he was that good?
In a 100 game match vs Carlsen I think it would not do worse then split the match 50-50. He would come up with strong novelities over the board that Carlsen would be unable to prepare for. He would be able to adapt and hone in on Carlsen's weaknesses.
To say that Morphy is not at least 2500 strength today is totally absurd and his endgame ability is underrated too...
bb_gum234 wrote:
I suppose we're talking about different people though. Morphy the man, the myth, and the legend.
I think Morphy the man is ~2450 and would do well to win a single game off of Carlsen, and would lose most matches against any modern GM.
I think Morphy the myth and legend are rated at least 2900, and would achieve a plus score against any player that has ever lived, and any who will ever live in the future.
Hypothetically a player with a rating of 2450 vs 2876(Carlsen's current rating) would win about 8% of the time against Carlsen. If a player only won 1 game out of 100 against Carlsen their rating would be about 2078.
I respectfully disagree with your assessment.
Morphy would defiently lose all the games, or maybe if he is lucky he will draw one or two games.
Jun 4, 2015
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Morphy had also grinding games with interesting endgame play. Not everything he won was by flashy sacrifices.
Pitting him against Carlsen would be kind of a harsh introduction to the 21st century though, I feel...
I was just curious, but didn't Morphy have a real elo rating? Or were elo ratings not established back then? Some say Morphy is no stronger than a present day 2000 player and some say he is 2500+. It is confusing.
if morphy had learned mordern day theroy then?
yea of course morphy would smash his soul. no doubt.
He'd probably have to give Carlsen at least rook odds to keep the game even.
shine5 wrote:
I was just curious, but didn't Morphy have a real elo rating? Or were elo ratings not established back then? Some say Morphy is no stronger than a present day 2000 player and some say he is 2500+. It is confusing.
Some believe Paul Morphy was 2300 I'll lean north toward 2500 not just anyone sits down across very powerful masters like Adolph Anderssen and Daniel Harrawitz (a fine Tactican by the way) hands them their lunch and crushes them the way he did.
Not bad for an amature who considered the game a passing amusement :)
MorphysRevenge2 hat geschrieben:
In a 100 game match vs Carlsen I think it would not do worse then split the match 50-50. He would come up with strong novelities over the board that Carlsen would be unable to prepare for. He would be able to adapt and hone in on Carlsen's weaknesses.
To say that Morphy is not at least 2500 strength today is totally absurd and his endgame ability is underrated too...
It should also be added that Morphy was also able to fly, walk on water, turn H²O into wine and had a body of steel.
Rumo75 escribió:
MorphysRevenge2 hat geschrieben:
In a 100 game match vs Carlsen I think it would not do worse then split the match 50-50. He would come up with strong novelities over the board that Carlsen would be unable to prepare for. He would be able to adapt and hone in on Carlsen's weaknesses.
To say that Morphy is not at least 2500 strength today is totally absurd and his endgame ability is underrated too...
It should also be added that Morphy was also able to fly, walk on water, turn H²O into wine and had a body of steel.
Now I'm interested!
You mean counseling by Karpov between moves? I am afraid that would simply come down to having Carlsen play against Karpov. In this case a 70% result in Carlsen's favour could be expected. (Yes, Elo would predict more, but equal position at move 12 helps the weaker player, plus Carlsen's style might suit Karpov as far as drawing chances are concerned.)
Stavros_34 wrote:
What? Morphy the man 2450? In what year? An IM of 2010 is much stronger than what was Anatoly Karpov in late 70's....and that is a fact through computers that calculated the strength of the moves, not mine.
With the knowledge Morphy had back in 1875 where he peaked his performance I don't believe he can survive in any game against Carlsen in more than maximum 30 moves with out resign.
Ah.....Karpov who was the greatest challenge to probably the best ever play Garry Kasparov????? Karpov was a world champion and GM-he could crush IM's and does now! The computer that figured that out was ovbiously wrong. Karpov plays today at GM level, so that computer was clearly wrong.
Morphy is consider super strong because he crushed all his opponents. Sure, he was an amazing player, but really it's different playing against some random 1500 and a player such as Levon Aronian, Boris Gelfand, Ivanchuck ect. They are tactical beasts and positional monsters. Sorry but there is no more mate the opponent in 20 moves stuff! Morphy although extremely good is definitely not a good challenger for Magnus. Not to say he'd get crushed....but look what happened to Anand!
Jun 4, 2015
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If Morphy was playing a match against a strong opponent, and that opponent was giving Morphy a hard time, he ( Morphy ) would easily find a way to counter the problems posed by his opponent.
Case in point being his match with Daniel Harrwitz.
Paul Morphy is arguably the greatest natural talent the chess world has ever seen. He might lose the first couple of games against Magnus, but his brilliant chess brain would quickly adapt to Magnus' style.
Many people under-estimate how good Paul Morphy really was.
We never saw him at his peak.
Nobody in the world was good enough to push him to his peak.
And remember, Ben Fiengold reckoned that Paul Morphy's rating was Magnus +10 !
Bobby Fischer said that Paul Morphy was the best. ( Though Bobby said that Morphy might struggle against modern opening theory )
Might, but not for long.
Morphy would NOT struggle against Carlsen.
They play 100 standard time control matches. What do you think would be the results?