played a league match for club tonight ,around move 12 things got a bit fireworks , my move sheet started to be scruffy as it got messy my opponent just didnt record moves , rules state only allowed not to record if 5 mins only on clock or less , we had loads of time
i softly said to him about this and said im popping out for a cigarette copy my move sheet whilst im gone ,
a nice gesture ,but my handwriting was atrocious lol
note taking is compulsuary
Are you sure? Because my teacher slapped my hand for writing notes in class.
just reviving on this.
So if one player has less than 5 minutes and both stopped notating.
Are you saying if there is a repetition 3x - this cannot be a draw automatically?
just reviving on this.
So if one player has less than 5 minutes and both stopped notating.
Are you saying if there is a repetition 3x - this cannot be a draw automatically?
In OTB, triple repetition isn't automatic and has to be claimed. Triple repetition draws can only be claimed if you have a reasonably complete score sheet. If you're not notating, you don't have a reasonably complete score sheet.
A draw claim made without a reasonably complete score sheet is considered a draw offer and if a TD witnesses the repetitions, can rule on the claim.
This is under US Chess rules.
Okay. So if one player has less than 5 minutes and both stopped notating.
PersonA has the queen and just check personB's king 3x. Can personA pause the clock and just claim a draw without asking a TD to come over? Or Are you saying personB can simple refuse the draw and play on? (Assuming the check happend at move 37 and both stopped notation at move 30)
Okay. So if one player has less than 5 minutes and both stopped notating.
PersonA has the queen and just check personB's king 3x. Can personA pause the clock and just claim a draw without asking a TD to come over? Or Are you saying personB can simple refuse the draw and play on? (Assuming the check happend at move 37 and both stopped notation at move 30)
Triple repetition draws have to be claimed. All draw claims are draw offers and if the opponent agrees, the game ends as a draw. If the opponent doesn't agree, the TD has to verify and without the score sheets, it's not possible without the TD witnessing the repetitions.
Thanks. Is there any rules when you can or cannot stop the clock and ask the TD to come over in this situation?
assuming person A has 5 seconds left and person A claims that its a triple repetition. Person B disagrees and do not want to draw. Can person A just pause the clock without penalty?
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Thanks. Is there any rules when you can or cannot stop the clock and ask the TD to come over in this situation?
assuming person A has 5 seconds left and person A claims that its a triple repetition. Person B disagrees and do not want to draw. Can person A just pause the clock without penalty?
On a draw claim a player can pause the clock, but it's up to the TD to decide if the clock pause was for a valid reason or if any penalty should be applied.
Hi, i know this is outdated but just wondering if USCF Updated that policy since if an event is only 30 mins or 20 as a TC then what's the point of notating? that's pure rapid not classical
Going to the title question, refusing to take required notation in a US Chess Rules game generally receives escalating penalties. Maybe one to three warnings followed by increasingly greater time penalties. Blatant and continuous refusal can end with either a reduction to five minutes of time (if the delay or increment is small enough that such a reduction eliminates the notation requirement) or loss of game. The US rulebook emphasizes solutions that allow the result of the game to be decided over the board when plausible, so many of the more experienced TDs will apply the reduction to five minutes when that can end the notation requirement.
Rule 15B is quite clear and well summarized by Reb in post #4 above. When either player is under 5 minutes, neither needs to keep score. There are consequences: draw claims by the 50-move rule or repetition of position are no longer permitted. A win on time also cannot be claimed in certain conditions (see Rule 13C). Our tournament was sudden death (only one time control), so I could still win on time without keeping score.
Wait, you mean there can be no such draws without notifying a TD to count the moves or observe the threefold repetition, right?
I cannot recall ever seeing a third party count moves in a USCF rated event.
In our NWSRS rated youth events, it has sometimes been common. I have sometimes intervened without a request from a player when the last game to finish in the round was a queen chasing a king all over the board, check, check, check, ... with abundant evidence that we could be there until Christmas waiting for the game to end.
HAHA! It happened to me in 2009 (World Open U2000 section), when I had a bizarre forced repetition of a position, but the series of moves to force the position was long --maybe 6 or 7 moves, unless the opponent chose to make the repetition come more quickly. I was rated in the 1400's and my opponent was 1830, and I was hard-pressed for points. The TD doubted I had a forced series of moves until we repeated the series and he counted them. Very amusing --for me, anyways.