Pointless chase despite obvious draw

Sort:
Cyrulis

Hi guys, my first post in the forum.  This is about my game with player named jorgeplayschess. I am with king and bishop, he is with king and rook. One understands what he/she is trying to do: get underneath my king, make check with my bishop above, take out my bishop and eventually to make a checkmate. In my opinion, this is fine as long as this is within parameters of sanity. However, it is clear to both of us that's ain't gonna happen and here we go- he is refusing to accept a draw and the endless chase is on. Now well over one hundred moves. This is crazy!

Conflagration_Planet

How about the 50 move rule, where if 50 moves are made without a piece taken you can declare a draw?

posporov051560

The last pawn capture is on move 63 and since you are now on move 114 you can claim a draw by virtue of 50 move rule.

posporov051560
fzweb wrote:

Unfortunately I wouldn't call this a draw yet, considering the strength of both players. For example, on move 107, black missed his chance to win with Rb7 threatening Ra7# and Rxf7 with a winning endgame. There are still chances for blunders.

In any case, it doesn't really matter since your other games should keep you well occupied.


Another variation is 107...Rb7 108.Be8 Ra7+ 109.Ba4 Ra6 or Ra8 110.Ka2 Rxa4+ and win

Cyrulis

Thanks for replies, I will request a draw. posporov, your 1st example is wrong and second I don't understand. Impossible to mate me- I'll just keep king and bishop separate and deny him opportunity to chase me so he can yank out my bishop.

posporov051560
Cyrulis wrote:

Thanks for replies, I will request a draw. posporov, your 1st example is wrong and second I don't understand. Impossible to mate me- I'll just keep king and bishop separate and deny him opportunity to chase me so he can yank out my bishop.


Cyrulis black missed a forced win on move 107. Instead of 107...Rb1 He could've played 107...Rb7 attacking your bishop and threatens mate on a7. Your only defense is 108.Be8 but then black will play Ra7+ 109.Ba4 Ra8 (zugzwang) 110.Ka2 Rxa4+ and black win. Analyze your game starting with move 107. thanks

Cystem_Phailure

Cyrulis, I understand your frustration, but you should be aware that it is absolutely forbidden to discuss ongoing games in the forums (or with anyone, for that matter).  This is especially true when people are offering direct advice and lines.

posporov051560
Cystem_Phailure wrote:

Cyrulis, I understand your frustration, but you should be aware that it is absolutely forbidden to discuss ongoing games in the forums (or with anyone, for that matter).  This is especially true when people are offering direct advice and lines.


Check the game it is already a draw by 50 move rule

Cystem_Phailure

It clearly was not yet a draw when he started the thread and you started giving advice.

Cyrulis

I got a draw by by request. I was not seeking any advice. I guess frustration was ethics- is it ethical by other player to drag pretty much to nowhere beyound 100+, even though it is possibleto loose?

posporov051560
Cystem_Phailure wrote:

It clearly was not yet a draw when he started the thread and you started giving advice.


Ok pardon me if I made some lapses but when I checked the game they are already on move 114 so a draw button will pop up on his screen. Besides, we analyze his game on move 107 not before or after his move 114.

MaartenSmit

A quick chessgames.com search gives 1013 decisive games over 100 moves. I don't think there is any reason to call it unethical to play on, especially if there are still winning chances.

If it were a dead draw, I would understand your frustration. But this game you posted was not a dead draw, there were winning chances for the rook. Also in many drawn games over 100 moves there were winning chances for one side.

bobbyDK

but it is with no doubt unethical to ask a question about a game that is ongoing. - thats even illegal according to site rules. 

Cyrulis

In our case, for us, two below average players, it was a dead draw. One moved basically from a to b and from b to a and one from s to d and from d to c. When you do this for 40+ moves ...

Just did spill out what I think was (and still is) valid frustration, but  feels like messenger is being blamed. The hell with the rules, sometimes common sense should triupmh.

Cystem_Phailure
Cyrulis wrote:

. . . feels like messenger is being blamed.  The hell with the rules, 


The messenger is being blamed-- you're the one who received outside advice for an active game.  But at least now it's clear where you're coming from.  It was not a case that you didn't know what you did was illegal, it was a case that you didn't care.

As for your defense that you did not "ask" for advice, any game or situation posted in the forums has a very good chance of receiving advice, asked for or not, which is exactly what happened here.  The bottom line is you obviously read what people were writing about your game status.  The claim that none of this matters because of the stage of the game is childish.  As for being "below-average" players, it is weaker players who are most likely to end up with a game like this ending up with a blunder somewhere.

Cyrulis

I didn't know it was illegal. And you should spend less time writing (LOL 3,000+ post in less than 2 years) and picking on people and more time thinking. Jus a little bit. 

Conflagration_Planet
Cyrulis wrote:

I didn't know it was illegal. And you should spend less time writing (LOL 3,000+ post in less than 2 years) and picking on people and more time thinking. Jus a little bit. 


 Cops will be kicking in your door soon. It carries 15 to life.

Cystem_Phailure
Cyrulis wrote:

And you should spend less time writing (LOL 3,000+ post in less than 2 years)


LOL yourself.  You think 3000 posts is a lot on chess.com?  Say, you are new to the forums, aren't you?

While we're giving advice, since you don't seem to know them why don't you read some rules on CC play and think about those?  Oh, wait, to hell with the rules, right?  Never mind.

jerry2468
fzweb wrote:

Unfortunately I wouldn't call this a draw yet, considering the strength of both players. For example, on move 107, black missed his chance to win with Rb7 threatening Ra7# and Rxf7 with a winning endgame. There are still chances for blunders.

In any case, it doesn't really matter since your other games should keep you well occupied.


Actually, White can block the Rook check with his bishop, but after Ra8 its still a loss

Frankdawg

Bishop vs Rook is not always a drawn position. The rook has winning chances.