(Poll) Do you think chess960 will ever replace classical chess at the very top l

Chessexplained recently made a comment in his video that he thinks chess960 will become more popular at the top level. I wonder how many people agree/disagree with him.

Poll link: http://thearima.com/questions/do-you-think-chess-960-will-ever-replace-classical-chess-at-the-very-top-level

No, chess will die completely, all variants inclusive, before that happens.

Wouldnt surprise me. There's more variety to it, and that's good.

I'd think it more likely chess including variants will die out over the next 100 years, because with smartphones, computers etc people will prefer computer games to boardgames. We havent seen the end of it, just the very beginning.

Probly games in 50 years will be total simulations of immense gaming worlds using virtual reality tech.

Also patience levels will drop to rock bottom compared to now. People will want games that give them a feeling of reward and success immediately. I don't think chess does this very good; the rewards come with the long term, and people are just not gonna wait for any long term stuff any more.

It was invented many years ago, but still havnt caught on. If it hasnt caught on by now, I dont think it ever will. It's not like it was JUST invented to combat the strength of computers.

I highly doubt. most player rely on memrization over acual thinking now they wouldnt like 960.

What's chess960s growth curve BTW?

Is it growing steadily, year after year, has it been steady for decades or does it bounce up and doen in popularity?

I think slow and steady growth, but it isn't much more than a rather vague impression.

I see you point. But I would argue that as chess theory improves (i.e. when opening lines get deeper and deeper), the actual "playing" component of chess gets less and less, and maybe eventually the appreciation for 960 goes up? BTW, I am not suggesting that 960 will neceesarily go anywhere, just suggesting that it will get more popular over time.

I made a game that has more than one billion starting positions.

I did not want to change chess, I wanted to fix chess for the players.

I consider chess to be a broken game now, due to powerful computers and centuries of theory.

You know that guy that beats you most of the time? Is it because he is a better natural player than you or is it because he studies chess and theory all the time.

Don't you just want to play man, you know, and read a few books, and put the engine away?

Anyway

www.finalwars.com

p.s. Fischer Random was my starting point when making the game. 

To me, it seems like 960 should have taken over for chess in the 80's. It was invented to take away all "theory" and go with imagination. Since that didnt catch on then... I dont think it ever will.

no

Fischer didn't introduce 960 until 1996.  It would have been difficult for 960 to take over the chess world in the '80's since it didn't exist.

Look a little deeper.

What critical event in the chess world happened earlier that year?

Just because most of the world learned about computers in the 2000's doesnt mean they wernt thought up, or did not exist, prior.

What are you babbling about?  960 didn't exist in the 80's.

Because it's reasonable to assume that the idea of something could exist before its officially revealed. Fisher was disgusted with chess for a long time.

After the first encounter with Deep Blue earlier that year, it just so happens that Fisher960 is hastily revealed? Do you think you can invent a sound new version of chess that takes away all the theory in just a few months?

It's very reasonable to assume that 960 was around in the 80's. Dont look at the reveal date on Wikipedia and think that is an absolute answer.

So, if IBM releases a computer in the 90's, and Apple releases a computer in the 90's, that means neither of those computers existed prior to the 90's? No.

This is from the Wikipedia chess960 page

Chess960 is a variant of Shuffle Chess, which had been suggested as early as 1792^[4] with games played as early as 1842.^[5] Fischer's modification "imposes certain restrictions, arguably an improvement on the anarchy of the fully randomized game in which one player is almost certain to start at an advantage".^[6] Fischer started work on his new version of chess after the 1992 return match with Boris Spassky. The result was the formulation of the rules of Fischerandom Chess in September 1993, introduced formally to the chess public on June 19, 1996 in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

Please dont. Let him think im "babbling" and that the official release date on Wikipedia is the absolute answer.

We're talking about 960, not "shuffle chess" or are you so illiterate that you can't read the topic?

So, if he "started work" in 92, that means he couldnt possibly have had the idea in the 80's and 960 could not have been played before then?

Before you can make the rules of a game... you have to have an idea... of what the game will be. It's not a far reach to think 960 existed in his mind well before the 90's. The Kasparov v. Deep Blue was perfect timing to unveil his new idea.

Enough with the personal insults. Your age is showing.

no way

Your position doesn't make much sense.

You think Fichers had thought of chess960 in the 80ies. Well this is possible or not, noone will ever know I guess unless Fischer's secret notebook is found or whatever.

Anyway, let's just assume Fischer got the idea in 1981 but didnt tell anyone about it. So what?

You seem to think that chess960 should have started gaining followers in the 80ies haalf a decade before Ficsher announced it. This is weird. Off course it can't start getting a following before it is introduced.

Unless you believe that people should telepathically have picked up on Fischer's new rules and started playing it lol.