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notmtwain
notmtwain
Nov 18, 2014
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#21
imirak wrote:

Does this concept exist in chess?

I was recently accused of poor sportsmanship in a game because I refused to accept a draw in what is commonly acknowledged as a drawn position. Although the game was balanced in material, I continued playing for about 50 moves, running out the clock and hoping that my opponent would resign in frustration or simply blunder from impatience.

The game ended when I finally got tired of toying with him and drew, but I feel like I did nothing wrong. I have definitely won a game or two like this in the past, so I generally refuse to draw any game where I have mating material unless I get bored and want to watch TV or something.

Does this make me a poor sportsman?

You have only been here for a few days and have played no games at all.

Did you get thrown off here previously for "toying" with your opponents?

DaniusBarna
DaniusBarna
Nov 18, 2014
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#22
Iluvsmetuna wrote:

Hoping your opponent would resign in frustration or simply blunder from impatience and feeling you did nothing wrong is one of the telltale signs of poor sportsmanship. It's not against the rules of chess, which is why the game attracts such high numbers of bad sports and will never be taken seriously outside of the chess community.

This.

Imagine you fall into a perpetual check and, instead of accepting a draw, you keep on moving your king for the rest of the 30 minutes expecting that your opponent gets frustrated and resigns or that he just moves his piece on the wrong square accidentally.

Is that against the rules? Probably not. It's a poor sportmanship? Tell me how would you feel if you were the player who is checking repeatedly.

woton
woton
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Nov 18, 2014
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#23

 I would say that making aimless moves to run your opponent out of time in a known drawn position is poor sportsmanship.

From the FIDE handbook (the USCF has  similar rules). 

 

11.1

The players shall take no action that will bring the game of chess into disrepute.

 

G.5

If Article G.4 does not apply and the player having the move has less than two minutes left on his clock, he may claim a draw before his flag falls. He shall summon the arbiter and may stop the chessclock (see Article 6.12 b). He may claim on the basis that his opponent cannot win by normal means, and/or that his opponent has been making no effort to win by normal means

  1. If the arbiter agrees that the opponent cannot win by normal means, or that the opponent has been making no effort to win the game by normal means, he shall declare the game drawn. Otherwise he shall postpone his decision or reject the claim.

 

 
DaniusBarna
DaniusBarna
Nov 18, 2014
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#24
kaynight wrote:

Disappointed that I could not have beaten my opponent earlier.

Oh yes, because it's so obvious that before of a perpetual check you were all the time in a winning position and you dominated the game, right? :P

 

dwijker
dwijker
Nov 18, 2014
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#25
danielmbcn wrote:
kaynight wrote:

Disappointed that I could not have beaten my opponent earlier.

Oh yes, because it's so obvious that before of a perpetual check you were all the time in a winning position and you dominated the game, right? :P

 

 

you know white can just walk away there right?

kiloNewton
kiloNewton
Nov 18, 2014
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#26
woton wrote:

 I would say that making aimless moves to run your opponent out of time in a known drawn position is poor sportsmanship.

From the FIDE handbook (the USCF has  similar rules). 

 

11.1

The players shall take no action that will bring the game of chess into disrepute.

 

G.5

If Article G.4 does not apply and the player having the move has less than two minutes left on his clock, he may claim a draw before his flag falls. He shall summon the arbiter and may stop the chessclock (see Article 6.12 b). He may claim on the basis that his opponent cannot win by normal means, and/or that his opponent has been making no effort to win by normal means

If the arbiter agrees that the opponent cannot win by normal means, or that the opponent has been making no effort to win the game by normal means, he shall declare the game drawn. Otherwise he shall postpone his decision or reject the claim.

 

 

its not applicable to bullet chess. Fide doesn't organize bullet. their blitz has increment.

in chess.com 5|0 you can win K+p vs K+Q+....

DaniusBarna
DaniusBarna
Nov 18, 2014
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#27
dwijker wrote:

you know white can just walk away there right?

Ooops. I edited the diagram. I was distracted. Embarassed Now he can't. >:D

@kaynight: "Winning position and winning the game, are two different things." I like your answer, because curiously it responds perfectly to a guy who was assuming that you can force a perpetual check and draw the game only when you have been in a winning position. Wink

deeptak
deeptak
Nov 18, 2014
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#28
imirak wrote:

Does this concept exist in chess?

I was recently accused of poor sportsmanship in a game because I refused to accept a draw in what is commonly acknowledged as a drawn position. Although the game was balanced in material, I continued playing for about 50 moves, running out the clock and hoping that my opponent would resign in frustration or simply blunder from impatience.

The game ended when I finally got tired of toying with him and drew, but I feel like I did nothing wrong. I have definitely won a game or two like this in the past, so I generally refuse to draw any game where I have mating material unless I get bored and want to watch TV or something.

Does this make me a poor sportsman? 

IMO nothing wrong with playing a drawn position but starting this thread  right ater game 7 so that people compare you to Carlsen is immature

uri65
uri65
Nov 18, 2014
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#29
owltuna wrote:
uri65 wrote:

For me chess etiquette OTB is limited to 2 things: handshake and "Have a good game" before the game, handshake and "Thanks" after the game.  What happens on chess board is not a matter of etiquette, manners or respect.

In any sport, what happens on the field of play is most certainly a matter of respect. That you feel it is not is telling.

What happens on chess board is a sequence of move. Claiming that certain sequence of moves lacks respect - well it sounds like nonsense to me.

radmagichat
radmagichat
Nov 18, 2014
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#30

If you blunder in the first 30 seconds..and want to make your opponent wait 15 minutes while you are checking your facebook. You are not only a poor sport but you just so happen to be wasting both of our time. There is nothing that says if my opponent just blundered and isn't moving, that I have to look at the game board the entire time. However, if you are not playing on, and your objective is to make your opponent wait 15 minutes, you are a poor sport and should change your attitude. Take the loss by clicking resign and start a fresh game. Playing on after a blunder is cool but not moving for 15 minutes is again, a waste of both of our time.

Legendary_Race_Rod
Legendary_Race_Rod
Nov 18, 2014
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#31

Magnus..... is that you?????

yureesystem
yureesystem
Nov 18, 2014
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#32

Iluvsmetuna wrote:              

Hoping your opponent would resign in frustration or simply blunder from impatience and feeling you did nothing wrong is one of the telltale signs of poor sportsmanship. It's not against the rules of chess, which is why the game attracts such high numbers of bad sports and will never be taken seriously outside of the chess community.

 

 

Totally agree with Ilusmetuna! Only weak player do this mindless toying thinking they can win on luck. Yes imirak, it is bad sportmanship and a lack of respect of your opponent.  BTW imirak, do love chess? You have not played one game here at chess.com.