Positions engines get wrong ( please contribute )

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The_Cosmologist

Sorry, I didn't notice it first.It's not from a real game, it is a study by Chekhover.

apostolis1

I don't know about today's best engines, and I can check it out (because I don't have Houdini), but some years ago engines thought that endgames like this were won. LOL Tongue Out

watcha
apostolis1 wrote:

I don't know about today's best engines, and I can check it out (because I don't have Houdini), but some years ago engines thought that endgames like this were won. LOL

Even Houdini with its poor endgame knowledge thinks that it is only +0.02. Stockfish and Rybka zero out without hesitation.

apostolis1

Ok ! Nice information !! So, the conclusion of this topic might be : Don't rely on computers every time !! LOL

watcha

The posted bishop vs. rook endgame is a real mistery to engines. If I play pfren's solution and build the fortress as suggested even then Stockfish happily moves the rook back and forth believing that the position is heavily winning ( +4.56 for black ):



apostolis1

Computers sometimes need some time to find the best move! Wink Also, sometimes you see the symbol =, you play some of the suggested moves and sudenly you see +- 1,4 !! Tongue Out

watcha
1random wrote:

Here's a position from an OTB game I played yesterday:

What a Tactics Trainer rating you have! Unbelievable...

Xeelfiar

Note all those 3000 tactics trained rated. Obviously cheaters

apostolis1

Now I see the position which was posted, with the rook vs bishop endgames! There are some other positions like this, an example might be the following: In the final position, fritz 13 gives -+ 13.00 !!! Tongue Out LOL



Xeelfiar

Howewer, many engines think the Spassky-Fischer endgame (rook vs 5 pawns) is won by black

apostolis1
watcha wrote:
1random wrote:

Here's a position from an OTB game I played yesterday:

What a Tactics Trainer rating you have! Unbelievable...

 

Oh my god !! There are people with 3300 !! And I am trying to go to 2200 !! LOL Tongue Out

jburkhart28

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/please-analyze7

I came across this post where the losing player is accusing the other of cheating. I'd like to know if any chess engine would play the moves 26. Nf4 and 27. Nxg6.  My first response at 26. is b4. 

Xilmi

As I said before: A stable positive evaluation by an engine does not mean that the position is winning. It means "this is most likely drawn by 50 move-rule". Houdini 3 even has an option in it's settings that makes the engine believe the 50-move-rule is a 10-move-rule for example. If you use this option to analyze the positions in question it will label all of them as 0.00 relatively quickly. 

Games like the Shirov-Game where the engine dismisses the winning move, on the other hand, are a nice example of the circumstance that engines still are very far away from perfect play. In this case their pruning makes them overlook the winning move. But let's be honest: How many human players would find such a move without massive in-depth analysis?

freaky25

6k1/5n2/8/8/8/5n2/1RK5/1N6 w - - 0 1

White to move, mate in 262. I doubt any engine can see that deep.

watcha
freaky25 wrote:

6k1/5n2/8/8/8/5n2/1RK5/1N6 w - - 0 1

White to move, mate in 262. I doubt any engine can see that deep.

All engines find the first move 1. Kd3 but none the second 2. Kd4. They play 2. Nc3 or 2. Nd2.

TitanCG

Imagine the look on everyone's faces when the GM proclaims, "mate in 261!" 

The_Cosmologist

That position would be draw anyway(50 move rule).

freaky25

It is unfortunate that players can claim a draw after 50 moves even when their opponent has a forced mate.

Suddenly_Pineapples

At least all engines agree that the French is the best defense and the Sicilian is an inaccuracy

The_Cosmologist
freaky25 wrote:

It is unfortunate that players can claim a draw after 50 moves even when their opponent has a forced mate.

The rule was introduced so that a chess game doesn't run to infinity.That's a sad part for players who have a winning position.In a recent National Championship in my country, white played accurate moves in the endgame and had a forced mate in two moves, but a draw was claimed because 50 moves had passed since the last piece was exchanged (a painful day for the white player).