Promoting to....A PAWN ? Can it Help ?

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The_Ghostess_Lola

I wanna have AlphaZero wired for non-promo pawn chess in a number of positions to see if it can be beneficial.

The_Ghostess_Lola

Okay. Think about it. Isn't that the intent of the game ?....to disrupt your opponents harmony ?

The_Ghostess_Lola

I say get AZ's AI capabilities to beta this concept out.

mgx9600
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I cannot find a condition where promoting to a pawn would actually help a player.

 

I don't think it is legal in standard chess; you must promote to knight,rook,bishop, or queen according to the rules.

 

However, who says you can't make up your own rules?

 

 

I used to think you must promote to a captured chessman (or leave it as a pawn until something of yours is captured); OTB wiithout extra chessmen seems intuitive.  It made the game just a sfun (playing with different rules).

 

Nordlandia

Steinitz proposed it over 150 years ago with the intent of stalemate. It servers no other purpose than that.

The_Ghostess_Lola

That's unproven. There may be a position....

Nordlandia
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

That's unproven. There may be a position.... 

 

Like what?

 

The_Ghostess_Lola

U may wanna go back to the examples in this thread. U know keep up & not ask dum-dum questions.

MergedZamasu

I fail to understand how the position would even change if a pawn was promoted to a pawn. If anything, tempo would be lost. But I did not check the original message. So I will do so.

MergedZamasu

And if a piece some how demoted into a pawn, that would be a disadvantage unless that pawn can directly give the player an advantage to the position. Also if the pawn makes it to the eithgh rank and stays/promotes to a pawn, will it be allowed to move back, because unless otherwise indicated, the rules are that pawns move foreward and not backwards. 

The_Ghostess_Lola

demoted ?....it stays the same.

Making it too complicated. It just stays a pawn & that's it. It becomes permanently dormant.

RALRAL3333

that would waste a move right? You get it to the eighth rank and then you have to spend another move just to promote it

 

ZlyphrrPlayz
LawAndOrderKing wrote:

If you promote to a pawn and it stays there, it would disrupt the harmony in your opponent's position. For example rooks on the eight rank wouldn't be connected anymore unless that promoted pawn is not protected by one of your pieces.

Just promote to a queen and it disturbs opponents pieces if protects like if you promote to pawn...

 

ZlyphrrPlayz
I think it is quite useful! Promote to a pawn, after if captured, keep checking with rook until it is captured and draw!

 

ZlyphrrPlayz

unless your're saying you have to promote again and ai=gain until queen or bishop or roo or knight

 

RealAnishGiri
And the pawn can't do anything coz they r against the wall
ZlyphrrPlayz

exactly so it would be a stale mate!

The_Ghostess_Lola

....excellent example ZP !....TY....Lola

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Why couldn't he just promote to a queen and do the same thing

Nordlandia

@Lola: that was steinitz idea.