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I´m asking me every day, weather i m a bot or not

 

Martin_Stahl
Imamaeyu wrote:

anyone with a working head know that every multiplayer game uses bots (disguised as players). its not even a debate anymore. do you think they would stop doing that if you pointed it out? look at the amount of fanbois here... lol, a big doubt. so why even bother?

 

Except, the site doesn't use bots in the random play pools, so....

🤔

SteelieMD
Viznik wrote:

There is absolutely no reason no human being doesn’t resign here.

i waited the entire 2 minutes, and “he” never resigned 

 

The generic AI player paranoia aside, why would anyone resign here? Neither side can make any progress.

BoardMonkey
Viznik wrote:

This is definitive proof we are playing bots on this website, disguised as “real” players.

I'm a monkey not a bot.

DoctorRedz

Bros playing against C3PO 💀

MaetsNori
Viznik wrote:

There is absolutely no reason no human being doesn’t resign here.

In one of my first chess clubs, the local master taught as, as kids, to "Never resign. Ever. Not even if the building is on fire."

His point was to make the opponent beat you - to never give away any free points. Fight to the bitter end, no matter how lost you are. You may still lose, but at least you'll go down swinging ...

Some players have this mentality, and it confuses those who don't understand it.

Duckfest

OP started this topic in July '22. Within a day we had 10-15 players explaining that he was wrong, that he had no proof, certainly not definitive proof.  The point has been made. You can all stop engaging. 

If you want to keep responding, feel free to do so. Just know that OP hasn't been online for over 5 months...

MaetsNori
MelvinGarvey wrote:
IronSteam1 a écrit :

In one of my first chess clubs, the local master taught as, as kids, to "Never resign. Ever. Not even if the building is on fire."

His point was to make the opponent beat you - to never give away any free points. Fight to the bitter end, no matter how lost you are. You may still lose, but at least you'll go down swinging ...

Some players have this mentality, and it confuses those who don't understand it.

 

Teaching such things is wrong, since there are other factors to take into account:

1°) Reputation. Your social interraction with other players and club members will be damaged, you may endure sarcasms and mockeries for being such a stubborn sore loser. Your interactions with arbiters may also suffer some negative bias toward you, for the same reason.

2°) Energy management. Especially in tournaments, not wasting nervous energy, "mojo" or such, in long lost fights, is a must. You may very well blunder a game after a few rounds, for piling up too many 4 hours+/80 moves+ games in a row out of such attitude.

3°) Self esteem. Deep down inside yourself, you know you're lacking dignity by acting so. It may not show when your results are satisfying, but on the days of bad results, this will be aggravating.

And possibly more negative side effects.

Well, what you're talking about is more applicable to older, more experienced players. And I certainly agree.

The master's advice that I mentioned, though, was aimed toward a specific audience. In that club, most of the players were beginners, and most were younger than 10 years old.

I do think resigning (when clearly lost) is courteous and the smart thing to do. But I also tip my hat to those who refuse to resign - especially in online games, such as blitz. I understand where they're coming from, too ...

MaetsNori
MelvinGarvey wrote:
IronSteam1 a écrit :

Well, what you're talking about is more applicable to older, more experienced players. And I certainly agree.

Glad you agree, but you have it all wrong. I played yesterday in a team with young girls, one being about 10, and a 14 years old boy (we won as a team btw, they all won, the kids of the team).

My club trains every year a hundred kids and teens for chess, and has a National Federal label for it (From the FFE, French Chess Federation).

And some of our kids win National championship awards (Gold, Silver, Bronze) every year, or almost.

So, no, it's not and never will be an "old people" thing. What I said, always has been and always will be, sportmanship.

We have a miscommunication here. We're not actually in disagreement.

By "older, more experienced" players, I was referring to your comments about enduring "sarcasms and mockery" and knowing that "you're lacking dignity" for refusing to resign. These, generally, are not comments that apply to 7, 8, and 9-year-old beginners.

(See the many debates about encouraging beginners to play on, even when lost, for the instructive value ...)

These days, I agree that resigning, when clearly lost, is a wise practice, for many of the reasons you mention. It's courteous. Time-saving. Energy-saving. And so on...

My main point in referencing the master from my old chess club was to say that: this "never resign!" mentality does, indeed, exist; it was something I was taught from a young age.

I don't still believe in it, but it's certainly a real mindset - and by no means evidence of a "bot", as the OP suggested (which was my overall main point).

MaetsNori
MelvinGarvey wrote:

I understood well and never believed you agreed with these coaching malpractice that let dozens if not hundreds of broken spirits on the side of the (sports) road after a few years.

I'll add, Don't we want noble sportsmen and noble sports women holding up their well deserved trophies in justified pride rather than a bunch of drooling jackals obsessed with toughts of (virtual) murder?

Winning, yes, but at what price?

I've never viewed the "never resign" mentality in such a harsh light - perhaps because it was once part of my chess ideology. When I see the "fight on! Never surrender!" players, my first reaction is an emotional one: a feeling of nostalgia. I remember being one of those players, too.

So perhaps that has tinted my view on it, making me more forgiving of the idea.

Though, the way you've described it here is quite pointed, and has me pondering many things ... Very well said, and appreciated. thumbup

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imagine thinking of this as "proof".   ffs.
imagine thinking not resigning on your opponent's clock is "not human" or rude somehow.
imagine thinking that waiting your clock out hoping your opponent will resign is ever appropriate, in any position


(spoiler:  the opposite is true per chess etiquette, he was a good sport for staying there until you continued.  remember when a top player resigned on his opponent's clock recently and it was a big F U?)

What is seriously wrong with 80% of everyone on this site???  Ugh.

skarpch

What about the players that slow play the entire game, then all of a sudden are playing at lightning speed in the last minute? I have this happen a lot and I’m pretty sure these are bots. 

AarushBchess

Chess.com has stated that they are all real players.

Duckfest
skarpch wrote:

What about the players that slow play the entire game, then all of a sudden are playing at lightning speed in the last minute? I have this happen a lot and I’m pretty sure these are bots.

That sounds like natural behavior. Playing too slow the entire game and continuing to do so, even in the last minute, sounds way more suspicious to me.

DrSchitz

No question this chess.com if infested with bots. This is main reason I will never buy premium membership. Paying for being cheated ?...price too high for me.

DrSchitz

Duckfest wrote : "You can all stop engaging". Then why have you engaged ?

Duckfest
DrSchitz wrote:

Duckfest wrote : "You can all stop engaging". Then why have you engaged ?

You are right. F me. If I had to guess, it would be that I responded to a notification without thinking, while not realizing I wrote that 6 weeks earlier. I'll unfollow this topic.

RedSea777

Simple answer, could be that player wasn't paying attention to time at all. So no proof for you unfortunately. This is all hearsay and, any judge would sustain an objection for speculation against your case on this proceeding there of.

P.S. I totally think they are bots too tho btw lol.