Queen's Gambit

Perhaps you can link the research.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160913124722.htm

Well you would have to buy Anders' book for that. It's essentially based on the concept of "deliberate practice" or effective practice..

How to make your kid good at anything, according to Anders Ericsson, an expert on peak performance and originator of the 10,000-hour rule — Quartz (qz.com)

His book does have research though

Looks like that book is short sighted and only deals with low level skills.  Do those kids go on to become top level players or simply achieving a good score at that time? There is a difference.

 

See the link I provided for recent research on the actual topic.

They did not even retest anything, just analyzed past studies. That's not a research, that's just review.

So you are saying their conclusions are not true?

By the way, hard work does not do it for all. If you have at least an average IQ then hard work can pay off. It can get you so far. 

 

Are you in any position to see people of differing ability try to achieve or is your view based solely upon yourself?

Yup since they haven't even done any research to reach such conslusions. A true research or test study is very simple, measure the IQ of the so called chess masters vs normal college going students and control for external variables and factors like motivation, family background, education background etc.  The original test tried it's best to do that.

There have been other psychologists (Chase, Simon Et al) who have conducted proper memory tests and found the results to be very counter intuitive. Chess masters were even worse than the man average of those tests.

It also reflects in real life. Chess masters really are bad at everything which isn't chess related. Kasparov for example tried his hand in politics but his strategy was a complete failure and as a result he is back at what he does, chess.

I see your problem. You want to compare against other high IQ groups.

Well don't get me wrong. Chess masters are extremely intelligent in forming plans, in seeing tactics etc... however that is where the intelligence ends.  You can't tell me that Magnus will enter a physics class and start to understand quantum physics better than the average student, that idea is laughable.
Keep in mind that doesn't mean physics professors are intelligent either. They will have a hard time grasping chess or even concepts of psychology.

Intelligence was initially defined as one's abiility to learn new things but that was quickly scrapped since an athlete might not understand something quickly but he is very intelligent in terms of forming strategies in a fight (for example mike tyson who was not "intelligent" as per IQ tests but was witty in the ring so would u call him intelligent or not)

As i said, chess masters are intelligent in forming plans in chess. Physics professors are intelligent in solving physics problems. Parkour experts are intelligent in figuring out the best routes to go through a run. Game speedrunners are intelligent in finding new ways to go through the map. FPS players are intelligent in finding strategies and making plans in the game. Tribes in africa are intelligent in knowing how to deal with wild animals...

Essentially what u practice is what u become intelligent at. I think that's where the theory stands.

There are no plans for extending the series. But it has been so popular maybe that will change. She could pursue becoming world champion. 

oh i hope the series doesn't take that direction, it is unrealistic as it is

I think you are both right and wrong. You are correct that you can get better in a field with practice. You are wrong if you believe anyone can achieve top ranks in any field with practice. Sorry but that is not reality.

 

What is reality is that if a person is skilled enough in a field to begin with then lots of practice can result in good results.

Exploring,

 

I take it you were never a competitive athlete.  If you think that college coaches recruit kids based on how hard they work, I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

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Just read an article,  the inspiration for the main character in queens gambit is Bobby Fischer lol.

There’s a backhanded compliment that coaches often give players: “they played their hearts out.”

Let’s examine what this means. Well, they tried really hard, they gave it all their effort, but they still lost. Hmm. In reality they are saying “they put in a lot of effort but they weren’t very good.”

The minor leagues of baseball and the lower leagues in soccer are filled with players who have been practicing for hours every day and studying how to get better, but they never make it. As I said before, there are also lots of coaches who consider certain players “lazy” and who “skate by on their talent”. Coaches say this stuff all the time.

You don’t just plug in effort and get elite. If that were true, then you wouldn’t have lazy players doing better than some who put in hours of effort. On my cross country team in Junior High there was a girl who was so fast that she skipped all the practices and just showed up at events. Meanwhile the rest of us dutifully trained and sucked. She’d finish the race in half the time even though the coach called her lazy.

Denying that talent exists is just baffling to me.

As one coach I coached with said, the better you are, the more forgiveness you get.

It was junior high. That was what, a dozen years ago? I don’t remember how long the races lasted, but it seemed interminable.

I remember the coach came to us and he was mad at her. She said that she didn’t want to train with us and said she didn’t want to. He asked us to vote and we unanimously agreed to keep her on the team because we wanted to win. The coach was surprised that we didn’t resent her.

The coach was in a no win situation. Having star players made him look better and would look good on his resume. She steadfastly refused and said she would quit before wasting her time after school when she would just win anyway. She was willing to show up on Saturday, run for a while, get her trophy, then go home. That’s it.

Being a star among 9th graders is far from being a star at the varsity level.  Some kids mature early.

Nikki was talking about a freshman, or in some states it could be 7th or 8th graders.

 

It is strange that long distance runners get two sports. But being a football player and shot put guy, I got my two sports. Funny how shot put and long distance runners get the same letter lol.