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ianmetcalf

I have noticed that when i see a chess master game played (gm,im,nm,cm) i notice multiple things.

1. If a master loses, it is by resignation

2. A stalemate never occurs (king v. king/king cannot move due to putting self in check

so I ask, does anyone know any kind of chessmaster who refuses to resign or only resigns when they cannot win the game due to insufficient material.  Also can anyone name a game where a stalemate occurs.( when king v. king/king can't move into check) I know that draws occur frequently due to agreement and sometimes 50 move rule.

Please answer my questions if possible or feel free to comment.

ianmetcalf
tonydal wrote:

I think you mean they agree to a draw when there's insufficient material--and Fischer was famous for playing it right down to bare bones (by GM standards, anyway). Bear in mind that those kind of guys have studied the game for 1000s of hours, so they have all these kinds of positions down cold, and it's all a matter of routine to them. When they resign, it's because they know they don't have a prayer in the world of saving their position (against somebody equally knowledgeable and gifted anyway)...and they would prefer to conserve their energy for the next round.


 I am aware that there is sometimes no way a master of chess can win. I am just saying are there any that refuse to resign.

TheOldReb
ianmetcalf wrote:
tonydal wrote:

I think you mean they agree to a draw when there's insufficient material--and Fischer was famous for playing it right down to bare bones (by GM standards, anyway). Bear in mind that those kind of guys have studied the game for 1000s of hours, so they have all these kinds of positions down cold, and it's all a matter of routine to them. When they resign, it's because they know they don't have a prayer in the world of saving their position (against somebody equally knowledgeable and gifted anyway)...and they would prefer to conserve their energy for the next round.


 I am aware that there is sometimes no way a master of chess can win. I am just saying are there any that refuse to resign.


 No, there are no masters that refuse to resign that I have ever heard of or read about. By "master" I refer to any fide titled masters and the NM title given by some countries.

AnEloADay

Let me take a stab at the rationale.

First, at the highest level not resigning in some positions can be seen as outright discourteous.

Secondly, I just don't think playing hopeless games with no educational merit indicates good study habits.

Saccadic

One famous stalemate is from the 1978 World Championship Match between Korchnoi and Karpov. According to Wikipedia: "the game had been a theoretical draw for many moves. The players were not on speaking terms so neither would offer a draw by agreement." It ended up being the longest match ever from a championship match.

goldendog

As indicated above, it would be considered uselessly rude to play on in an obviously losing position.

Both gms/masters/etc. would know this.

I wish more weaker players could forget about the point or the half point and just resign, ask for advice (you may have the good will of a stronger player now that you have shown good manners), learn a lesson (better than a few points), and get on with the next game.

ianmetcalf
AnEloADay wrote:

Let me take a stab at the rationale.

First, at the highest level not resigning in some positions can be seen as outright discourteous.

Secondly, I just don't think playing hopeless games with no educational merit indicates good study habits.


 I understand no educatinal value in some games that are definitley hopeless. I was just wondering if there was a master(candidate,national,international,grand) that just in their mind refuse to resign. From the responses however it does not seem that way

Also for those saying it is discourteous to not resign it may be. I have met many people that don't give a crap about courteous although they are not masters

By the way I am not implying resigning is wrong, when I am down with no chance to win, I resign.

ianmetcalf
Saccadic wrote:

One famous stalemate is from the 1978 World Championship Match between Korchnoi and Karpov. According to Wikipedia: "the game had been a theoretical draw for many moves. The players were not on speaking terms so neither would offer a draw by agreement." It ended up being the longest match ever from a championship match.

 


 Wow u that that was an obvious draw, I am surprised they did not agree on one. thanks for posting this.

TheOldReb

The reason they didnt draw earlier is that neither player wanted to speak to the other....they arent very good friends, to say the least .

Eniamar

Who was it that forfeited the Short by refusing to shake hands last year?

goldendog

Wasn't that Navara?

GrumpyComic

Interesting little tidbit of a game. I had never heard about this before.