Again, it's just s matter of taste.
I still see nothing wrong at all with ...Nf6 and ...Nc6.
Not sure why it bothers you so much.
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Apr 3, 2017
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#22
Yes, Black could have played 6...f5 with a Closed Sicilian reversed, or he could have also played a reversed Grand Prix.
Again, it's just s matter of taste.
I still see nothing wrong at all with ...Nf6 and ...Nc6.
Not sure why it bothers you so much.
Again, it's just s matter of taste.
I still see nothing wrong at all with ...Nf6 and ...Nc6.
Not sure why it bothers you so much.
Apr 3, 2017
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#23
6...Nf6 is 100% not a critical move or major mistake or anything like that. I'm just giving my impression that it's a move by a player who is not playing with any particular plan in mind.
I'm not saying it's either knights on f6/d7 or c6/e7. Nf6 isn't even wrong in very similar positions. Every pawn move included or excluded changes things.
For example one thing that comes to mind is there's no pawn on e4, so I'm reluctant to treat it like a KID in the first place. I'd rather try a pawn break against the c pawn (probably d5).
There's also no pawn on e3 blocking a move like Bg5. Maybe I'd rather play Nf6 after that's no longer a possibility. Also there's no pawn on d3, so white can still play d4 in one move. So after d3 maybe I wouldn't be uncomfortable with Nf6 which blocks control of d4.
White was being very flexible and quick with his queenside expansion plan, black needs to be accurate to survive, especially against a GM... and just look at the position after 10...Nd7. Can you guess which player is the GM from that position alone? Does it look like black made no mistakes? 
The point being, sometimes just making normal looking moves and hoping to come up with a plan later doesn't work out.
Apr 3, 2017
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#24
Black can get eviscerated on the queenside in the English and it takes care to avoid that.
When I've played the KID against the English I've played Nbd7 because I'm more comfortable with it.
It's just hard to believe that Nc6 should lose.
When I've played the KID against the English I've played Nbd7 because I'm more comfortable with it.
It's just hard to believe that Nc6 should lose.
Apr 3, 2017
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#26
Oh yeah, it is like a reversed sicilian. That's probably where my pattern recognition is coming from. I used to play 2.Nc3 with 3.g3 against the sicilian... and I always put my king's knight on e2.
My example game for handling the queenside expansion went knight from c3 to d1 (covering b2 from the bishop) and then breaking in the center with c3 and d4.
edit, crap, I said 2.Nf3, I mean to say 2.Nc3 for the closed sicilian.
Apr 3, 2017
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#27
So yeah, Nc6 is fine, but I don't recognize it in conjunction with some kind of Nh5 f5-f4 plan. The f4 break is normal-ish looking, and is probably fine most of the time, at least against lesser players (I didn't see any of those GMs go for it like I mentioned earlier).
Apr 3, 2017
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#28
Here's a similar black setup where Karpov wins in Karpovian fashion.
Apr 3, 2017
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#29
Karpov clamped down on White's b4 and thought about ...h4!
Very instructive.
Now I'll be able to play this stuff better.
Very instructive.
Now I'll be able to play this stuff better.
Apr 3, 2017
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#30
Yeah, in these lines where White isn't playing d4 I think Black SHOULD play the more active Nc6 rather than Nbd7.
That's my preference.
That's my preference.
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Holy crap this debate of if Nf6 was a bad move or not lol. I play Kings Indian for a lot of things. I just played this as I just kinda backed down from playing f5 against a GM so I played Nf6.
I never heard this rule of thumb before. To me it's just a matter of taste.
All I see is a KID vs an English.
GM got an edge with White and increased it because he's a GM.