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Reaching 2000 in CC without OTB Experience
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Feb 21, 2019
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OTB experience is not only real chess. But shows the chess player is a true chess lover. Without that chess passion, can 100% online players perform 2000 level?
I'm 2200 online and I've never played in an OTB tournament.
Feb 21, 2019
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Vicariously-I wrote:
I'm 2200 online and I've never played in an OTB tournament.
Have you thought of trying OTB tournament? It would be interesting to see if your online performance can be duplicated in OTB.
bong711 wrote:
Vicariously-I wrote:
I'm 2200 online and I've never played in an OTB tournament.
Have you thought of trying OTB tournament? It would be interesting to see if your online performance can be duplicated in OTB.
Yeah I'd love to play in an OTB tournament. It's just not easy for me to get to a chess club.
DeirdreSkye wrote:
We had a guy that was 2320 on line in blitz 2 years ago and came to the chess club believing that he will need 6 months to get NM and then he would try for FM and IM.
In his first tournament he couldn't beat 1000 rated players , his second was better and his 3rd dissapointing. 6 months later he abandoned his ambitious project and we never saw him again.His last rating was 1375.
Another guy came with on line rating around 1800 and he is now at 2000 OTB but he too had a lot of trouble adjusting. His first tournaments were disheartening but he was stubborn and eventually did it.
It's impossible to find correlation between on line and OTB , they are 2 very different numbers gained with very different way(different opponents , different conditions of play).
Yeah I know that I likely wouldn't be 2200 OTB but I think that with enough time to adjust I could reach at least 2000. It's not like my chess understanding is immediately going to disappear if I start playing OTB.
The rules of the game are the same. Only the 2D/3D view and the rating systems are a bit different. So sure, why not.
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Vicariously-I wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
We had a guy that was 2320 on line in blitz 2 years ago and came to the chess club believing that he will need 6 months to get NM and then he would try for FM and IM.
In his first tournament he couldn't beat 1000 rated players , his second was better and his 3rd dissapointing. 6 months later he abandoned his ambitious project and we never saw him again.His last rating was 1375.
Another guy came with on line rating around 1800 and he is now at 2000 OTB but he too had a lot of trouble adjusting. His first tournaments were disheartening but he was stubborn and eventually did it.
It's impossible to find correlation between on line and OTB , they are 2 very different numbers gained with very different way(different opponents , different conditions of play).
Yeah I know that I likely wouldn't be 2200 OTB but I think that with enough time to adjust I could reach at least 2000. It's not like my chess understanding is immediately going to disappear if I start playing OTB.
OTB chess is not about understanding only. It's many many more things. If you haven't learned to stay focused for 4 to 6 hours , adapting is not going to be easy.Add to this that you often have to play 2 games a day , or 3-4 games in a weekend and you will realise that there many more non chess related skills that decide the result.
But it also depends where you will play.Since rating is actually a number that depends on your opponent's skills it's easier to be 2000 in some places than it is in others. If you played in India or Russia I would tell you that you would probably never be 2000 maybe not even close.
Some good points. I'm pretty good at staying focused for long periods of time but I would definitely need to work on other things like OTB visualization and calculation (I'm so used to looking at a screen). There's also just the fact that I would be out of my comfort zone. Playing someone face to face is different than playing someone online from the comfort of my home.
Feb 21, 2019
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I know someone who played 1/0 bullet at 2200+ on chess.com without OTB experience. When he started USCF play he got to 2000 without much trouble but I don't think he plays much OTB any more. The funny thing is that he didn't know basic K+P endings (or much else in the ending) because they never came up in his bullet games.
To me is totally different. I can't really focus on a screen. Last Sunday I played an OTB game for 4 hours, though, and I felt like it had been much less time.
Feb 21, 2019
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#14
"Chess has become increasingly difficult for those that haven't start it as kids" - DeirdeSkye
Difficult ???
The skills required to master the game, will always be the same. Whether one is young or old, they are unchanging. Perhaps you mean, it becomes more difficult to master, if one starts at an older age. This has been Generally accepted as being true for the majority, but certainly can not be said of everyone.
2000 online blitz is a "piece of cake" for some in less than a year, never attainable for others, regardless of OTB games. The variables are far and wide, trying to make any sense of them is fruitless. Play the board game. All the talk of "rating" and you are playing for all the wrong reasons.
Feb 21, 2019
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#15
*On line players usually give up after losing against 1000 rated Chinese kids over and over again(I use "Chinese" because they are the nemesis of a friend , it might be any kid).*
If it might be any kid, then WHY MAKE the reference in the 1st place ?
It's the ole "friend" excuse to make a profiling comment.
DeirdreSkye wrote:
We had a guy that was 2320 on line in blitz 2 years ago and came to the chess club believing that he will need 6 months to get NM and then he would try for FM and IM.
In his first tournament he couldn't beat 1000 rated players , his second was better and his 3rd dissapointing. 6 months later he abandoned his ambitious project and we never saw him again.His last rating was 1375.
Another guy came with on line rating around 1800 and he is now at 2000 OTB but he too had a lot of trouble adjusting. His first tournaments were disheartening but he was stubborn and eventually did it.
It's impossible to find correlation between on line and OTB , they are 2 very different numbers gained with very different way(different opponents , different conditions of play).
???
Maybe he was a computer cheater or a liar, you cannot reach 2000 online while being clueless about the game.
knighttour2 wrote:
I know someone who played 1/0 bullet at 2200+ on chess.com without OTB experience. When he started USCF play he got to 2000 without much trouble but I don't think he plays much OTB any more. The funny thing is that he didn't know basic K+P endings (or much else in the ending) because they never came up in his bullet games.
You are right! That is really amusing. I could see that happening. Very unusual however.
DeirdreSkye wrote:
He couldn't be a cheater with a 5 year account and over 2000 blitz games. What you don't understand is how significantly different OTB is from online blitz.
I have played OTB blitz/rapid for a couple years but never any classical time control though.
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Vicariously-I wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Vicariously-I wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
We had a guy that was 2320 on line in blitz 2 years ago and came to the chess club believing that he will need 6 months to get NM and then he would try for FM and IM.
In his first tournament he couldn't beat 1000 rated players , his second was better and his 3rd dissapointing. 6 months later he abandoned his ambitious project and we never saw him again.His last rating was 1375.
Another guy came with on line rating around 1800 and he is now at 2000 OTB but he too had a lot of trouble adjusting. His first tournaments were disheartening but he was stubborn and eventually did it.
It's impossible to find correlation between on line and OTB , they are 2 very different numbers gained with very different way(different opponents , different conditions of play).
Yeah I know that I likely wouldn't be 2200 OTB but I think that with enough time to adjust I could reach at least 2000. It's not like my chess understanding is immediately going to disappear if I start playing OTB.
OTB chess is not about understanding only. It's many many more things. If you haven't learned to stay focused for 4 to 6 hours , adapting is not going to be easy.Add to this that you often have to play 2 games a day , or 3-4 games in a weekend and you will realise that there many more non chess related skills that decide the result.
But it also depends where you will play.Since rating is actually a number that depends on your opponent's skills it's easier to be 2000 in some places than it is in others. If you played in India or Russia I would tell you that you would probably never be 2000 maybe not even close.
Some good points. I'm pretty good at staying focused for long periods of time but I would definitely need to work on other things like OTB visualization and calculation (I'm so used to looking at a screen). There's also just the fact that I would be out of my comfort zone. Playing someone face to face is different than playing someone online from the comfort of my home.
Remember that on line you play someone that might do many things at the same time. Small things capable though break concentration(answer a phone call or a door bell).In OTB you play against a guy that will do nothing else except playing chess and trying to beat you. Some of your opponents might prepare for this tournament 6 months or more and they want to prove something to themselves.There are certainly many differences between on line chess and OTB chess. I don't doubt that you can adapt but you will need a lot of patience and determination to get over some bad results against some 1000-1200 rated players.On line players usually give up after losing against 1000 rated Chinese kids over and over again(I use "Chinese" because they are the nemesis of a friend , it might be any kid).
Chess has become increasingly difficult for those that haven't start it as kids.
Yes I realize that many players don't take online games very seriously and are much stronger when you play them OTB, especially titled players. For example I played GM @DJ_Haubi in 4 daily games (2 standard, 2 chess 960). I won 2 and drew 2 which sounds impressive until you realize that he was playing like it was rapid or even blitz while I was taking a really long time on my moves. So he was basically playing with a severe time handicap and still giving me a hard time. Some of his moves I didn't see coming at all. I know that I wouldn't stand a chance against him in a serious OTB tournament game. Most of my 2100+ daily opponents do take their games very seriously though. I often play against these guys for months because we are both taking our time on every single move. They have a fierce determination to win, or at the very least to not lose.
Is it possible for online chess players to reach 2000 in daily, rapid, blitz or bullet without playing in OTB tournaments?