Real reason why carlsen is forfeiting his classical title

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MisterWindUpBird
FaceCrusher wrote:

But it's a long ordeal that gives both players to opportunity to settle in over weeks and win a majority.

Or have a hissy fit and storm out, forfeit games in a huff, or just crumple under the pressure and not win once. Etc...

Anonymous_Dragon
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

Lol mate. It's been officially confirmed a few days ago that Carlsen will defend his title next time regardless of whoever wins the candidates

he won't

He confirmed it himself. What you high on ?

brianchesscake

Kasparov was world champion for 1985 - 2000. Carlsen has already surpassed Kasparov's max rating. I think Carlsen should feel motivated to be the champion for a few more years at least.

brianchesscake

BTW, Carlsen has publicly said on his streams not to donate to him any money, as he says he is doing it for entertainment purposes only. So for him, streaming is not a financial incentive (even though he could, for example, earn as much as Hikaru does from streaming).

kartikeya_tiwari
brianchesscake wrote:

BTW, Carlsen has publicly said on his streams not to donate to him any money, as he says he is doing it for entertainment purposes only. So for him, streaming is not a financial incentive (even though he could, for example, earn as much as Hikaru does from streaming).

it's for popularity and brand value and to make money via his youtube channel. If he doesn't care at all about money then why stream his games anyway? why not just enjoy with his buddies? he streams and then puts his clips from the streams on his youtube channel and that channel is monetized... so yes, so much so for "he doesn't make money from it", he absolutely does. 

Again, this is NOTHING NEW... dafran and many other pros in esports have been doing this for a long time. They sometimes don't accept donations and then put clips on their monetized youtube channel and gain money like that.

Again, magnus is smart. Whatever he does with chess has some financial incentive behind it. "He just has fun on his streams" is for the masses

kartikeya_tiwari
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

Lol mate. It's been officially confirmed a few days ago that Carlsen will defend his title next time regardless of whoever wins the candidates

he won't

He confirmed it himself. What you high on ?

There's a LONG WAY to go before the next championships. If he continues to make more and more money like this then he won't defend his classical title anymore. It is not smart to do it. Him saying anything doesn't mean much, there is no point in defending the classical titles

llama47
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

Lol mate. It's been officially confirmed a few days ago that Carlsen will defend his title next time regardless of whoever wins the candidates

Link the source.

fabelhaft

I’m taking a wild swipe here and guess the real reasons are the same as those he mentioned.

fabelhaft

As for “why bother defending rapid title too lol?”, Carlsen said he already during the title match had started looking forward to the rapid and blitz World Championship. He thinks it’s fun, compared to the many months of opening preparation for a single opponent, five times now in eight years. I think streaming is of little or no interest to him compared to just having fun while playing chess. 

kartikeya_tiwari
DrJetlag wrote:
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
brianchesscake wrote:

BTW, Carlsen has publicly said on his streams not to donate to him any money, as he says he is doing it for entertainment purposes only. So for him, streaming is not a financial incentive (even though he could, for example, earn as much as Hikaru does from streaming).

it's for popularity and brand value and to make money via his youtube channel. If he doesn't care at all about money then why stream his games anyway? why not just enjoy with his buddies? he streams and then puts his clips from the streams on his youtube channel and that channel is monetized... so yes, so much so for "he doesn't make money from it", he absolutely does. 

Again, this is NOTHING NEW... dafran and many other pros in esports have been doing this for a long time. They sometimes don't accept donations and then put clips on their monetized youtube channel and gain money like that.

Again, magnus is smart. Whatever he does with chess has some financial incentive behind it. "He just has fun on his streams" is for the masses

 

Do you know how much such a Youtube video makes? Even people who actively create content every week and have ten times as many subscribers as Magnus don't make a great amount from it. A few do, but I doubt he's motivated to put in the work needed to make it profitable enough for his standards. He would neither want to, nor be able to, become a MrBeast.

As an analogy, if I do something I enjoy (say, play a music gig), then there's a chance I might get a bit of money from it. As a student, that might have been a motivating factor, but with an income orders of magnitude higher this is negligible. Now if I would own a fortune, then I would still play music for fun and not for the $100 that a gig would bring me (ok, there might be the exposure, but that wouldn't translate directly to more revenue for my companies).

For managing and increasing his fortune, he'd look into investments, acquisitions (say, Play Magnus merges with chess.com), or new ventures, and not to the online equivalent of busking. If he does that, then it's obviously for fun. But I'm a clearly a common person from the masses, and not enlightened enough to realize that Magnus can't simply do something because he enjoys it.

What? 10x more subscribers would mean 6 million subs... people who have way less than this amount have brought mansions from youtube money lol. 

Point is not all of this. Point is that defending classical world title does not pay and on the contrary might actually take out a lot of money given how much you have to sacrifice, how u have to hire your team of seconds, travelling costs etc. It's a pretty long affair

Anonymous_Dragon
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

Lol mate. It's been officially confirmed a few days ago that Carlsen will defend his title next time regardless of whoever wins the candidates

he won't

He confirmed it himself. What you high on ?

There's a LONG WAY to go before the next championships. If he continues to make more and more money like this then he won't defend his classical title anymore. It is not smart to do it. Him saying anything doesn't mean much, there is no point in defending the classical titles

I am downgrading you from "a guy with weird opinions" to "an experienced troll". 

"Him saying anything doesn't mean much , there is no point in defending the classical titles" the most illogical point I have seen . 

So what you say means a lot isn't it ?

kartikeya_tiwari
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

Lol mate. It's been officially confirmed a few days ago that Carlsen will defend his title next time regardless of whoever wins the candidates

he won't

He confirmed it himself. What you high on ?

There's a LONG WAY to go before the next championships. If he continues to make more and more money like this then he won't defend his classical title anymore. It is not smart to do it. Him saying anything doesn't mean much, there is no point in defending the classical titles

I am downgrading you from "a guy with weird opinions" to "an experienced troll". 

"Him saying anything doesn't mean much , there is no point in defending the classical titles" the most illogical point I have seen . 

So what you say means a lot isn't it ?

Link it to where magnus said he will defend his title and went back on his previous statement.

Kowarenai

carlsen already has enough money so why waste your title like that to get more when you already are doing good financially? he is doing decently streaming but he barely does that and really is more on working with his company and team towards improving and defending his title in the upcoming few years. i dont think carlsen is just doing it mostly for money but also cause its very important and has motivation for him, he already is excited for alireza now

Anonymous_Dragon

I don't have the exact source at the moment . Even if it comes out to be false , it doesn't invalidate my criticism of your argument .

"His saying means nothing " - Kartikeya Tiwari , 2021

kartikeya_tiwari
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

I don't have the exact source at the moment . Even if it comes out to be false , it doesn't invalidate my criticism of your argument .

"His saying means nothing " - Kartikeya Tiwari , 2021

So you have nothing, gotcha

kartikeya_tiwari
Fuchuina wrote:

carlsen already has enough money so why waste your title like that to get more when you already are doing good financially? he is doing decently streaming but he barely does that and really is more on working with his company and team towards improving and defending his title in the upcoming few years. i dont think carlsen is just doing it mostly for money but also cause its very important and has motivation for him, he already is excited for alireza now

He isn't excited for anything lol. He is quitting his title since keeping a title is costing him more than what other activities would earn him.

Saying "he already has money" is stupid. By that logic bill gates should have retired a decade ago and just went on an island and lived in his mansion... nah, doesn't work like that. You can never have enough of money and unless u officially retire, people actively look to increase their income. That's why vishy anand commentated in the WCC since even though objectively he has more than enough money to easily live his life, realistically u can never have "enough" money and enough income

llama47
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

I don't have the exact source at the moment . Even if it comes out to be false , it doesn't invalidate my criticism of your argument .

"His saying means nothing " - Kartikeya Tiwari , 2021

Even if it comes out to be false?

I don't know what you guys are fighting about, but it's annoying to me you claimed Carlsen said things, and then you admit that maybe you made it up.

Kowarenai
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:

carlsen already has enough money so why waste your title like that to get more when you already are doing good financially? he is doing decently streaming but he barely does that and really is more on working with his company and team towards improving and defending his title in the upcoming few years. i dont think carlsen is just doing it mostly for money but also cause its very important and has motivation for him, he already is excited for alireza now

He isn't excited for anything lol. He is quitting his title since keeping a title is costing him more than what other activities would earn him.

Saying "he already has money" is stupid. By that logic bill gates should have retired a decade ago and just went on an island and lived in his mansion... nah, doesn't work like that. You can never have enough of money and unless u officially retire, people actively look to increase their income. That's why vishy anand commentated in the WCC since even though objectively he has more than enough money to easily live his life, realistically u can never have "enough" money and enough income

its not really stupid cause look at it, the player has one of the most highest paying income and salary throughout each year and has done pretty well for himself on a daily-basis. living on a mansion and being lazy is just a waste of money and ik its a joke but like be realistic carlsen can simply be in his house and still fight for the title for many years to come. i definitely believe that money isnt the problem but rather his motivation as many stated

Kowarenai

at this point i have come to the conclusion that the user is not really understanding how money isnt the problem here but genuinely someones motivation after a long match

Anonymous_Dragon
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

I don't have the exact source at the moment . Even if it comes out to be false , it doesn't invalidate my criticism of your argument .

"His saying means nothing " - Kartikeya Tiwari , 2021

So you have nothing, gotcha

Lmao atleast be brave enough to admit your mistake the way I did . Don't be a coward who conveniently neglects their own downsides .