really arbiters? during time pressure rlly bro?

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I'm wondering why Firoudja slammed the kings on the board. It looks like he was upset that the arbiter stepped in. But if that's true, it's another unprofessional outburst from Firoudja. Just like with Tata Steel, there are rules to be followed and the arbiter is there to impartially impose those rules. 

Also, all of this flagging discussion above is besides the point. In this tournament almost nobody gets flagged. These are elite blitz players very capable of making moves with 2 second increments.

exactly the arbiter was really the only highlight for this topic to even be made and its not the fact that flagging is important, i just hate how he calls dirty flagging a skill when its not even displaying much technique but hoping for the flag. the arbiter is the main intention of this thread and yeah i rlly just didnt like how he stepped in but yeah rules are rules and we just have to respect him for being there to follow those rules, credit to him for doing his job

 

Once again my friend.  Hopefully you took your medicine and can focus as I repeat the quote from Levon Aronian the leader of the tournament and how he describes blitz.    "Its not about making the best or "correct" move,  its about posing the hardest question to your opponent"   That is blitz. 

  Now think about that.  How accurate and what position someone has on the board is not as important as burning your opponents time down,  period!  And that is a separate strategy, technique and skill in itself.    Its like classcial in constant time pressure.   


ARoniuan is at the top of the leaderboard as the sole leader for a reason.  He is also very humble he doesn't consider himself a coach,  because he was never the type of player to study chess everything comes naturally to him.  But I don't think he gives himself enough credit.  I think he would be a great coach.

you spelled his name wrong and its kinda upsetting how you did this in the past few pages and yes he is the sole leader but i dont expect him to hold it, are you forgetting your predictions with hikaru and how he would somehow win the event or have chances in it? again i have nothing but admiration for aronian and indeed hope he wins the event as he hasnt had a good past but with that said i rlly dont support your criticism of others

He is wearing the American Eagle shirt beacuse of the comments in the who is the most noble thread.       And Magnus has 3 losses in the blitz event.   And just like HIkaru was the only player to go undefeated in the Rapid event.   ONLY PLAYER TO GO UNDEFEATED IN THE RAPID EVENT.     Hikaru is still undefeated in the blitz event, and like you said its a huge field all tied behind the 3 leaders.   And what do you mean Aronian hasn't had a good past.  He is one of the best in the world and just won the Tata Steel tournament a few weeks ago which is a huge blitz tourney.   

dude his wife literally past away fighting for her life in a hospital...

I know and he has a beautiful new girlfriend now and just moved to America and having a good time.   Why even bring that up?  I'm leaving now.  have a good night.

cause if your saying aronian has had a good past then your wrong cause he has been going through emotional turmoil and hasnt gone through so much breakthroughs yet. he wasnt doing well in the tour and the blitz event might be his biggest win ever if he manages to do it which will be very beautiful to see. also i kind of hate how you say it so casually that he got a new girlfriend and moved to america, its like Arianne was nothing, thats disrespectful.

I'm talking about his chess career.   Why would I be discussing his personal and private life, why is that even related to the discussion?    I hope he didn't tank today because he got wind of your post.   What is wrong with you?

and i am talking about his literal past and how i am rooting for the guy as he hasnt had any lucky breaks but emotional turmoil, i kind of hate how you just brush it all off and say things are way better now for aronian when it was hard for him to even get through it

Again,  I don't why his personal life should be discussed.  He has a beautiful girlfriend,  just moved to America,  He just won the Tata Steel.    Again,  what is wrong with you?  You just bought him down.   I'm sorry I ever even replied to you at this point.

again whats wrong with you if you call yourself an aronian fan and dont even know he has literally been one of the few people in the elite who has had it the hardest

Its obvious I know his past.   And what is also obvious is that you should have stayed banned because you are still hurting people.   Bringing up his deceased wife into this discussion for no reason,  is evil.

then why did you say he hasnt had a bad past? where were you in 2020 where he literally was doing bad in all tournaments except the magnus chess tour where he got 2nd?

Kowarenai
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RAU4ever wrote:

I'm wondering why Firoudja slammed the kings on the board. It looks like he was upset that the arbiter stepped in. But if that's true, it's another unprofessional outburst from Firoudja. Just like with Tata Steel, there are rules to be followed and the arbiter is there to impartially impose those rules. 

Also, all of this flagging discussion above is besides the point. In this tournament almost nobody gets flagged. These are elite blitz players very capable of making moves with 2 second increments.

exactly the arbiter was really the only highlight for this topic to even be made and its not the fact that flagging is important, i just hate how he calls dirty flagging a skill when its not even displaying much technique but hoping for the flag. the arbiter is the main intention of this thread and yeah i rlly just didnt like how he stepped in but yeah rules are rules and we just have to respect him for being there to follow those rules, credit to him for doing his job

 

Once again my friend.  Hopefully you took your medicine and can focus as I repeat the quote from Levon Aronian the leader of the tournament and how he describes blitz.    "Its not about making the best or "correct" move,  its about posing the hardest question to your opponent"   That is blitz. 

  Now think about that.  How accurate and what position someone has on the board is not as important as burning your opponents time down,  period!  And that is a separate strategy, technique and skill in itself.    Its like classcial in constant time pressure.   


ARoniuan is at the top of the leaderboard as the sole leader for a reason.  He is also very humble he doesn't consider himself a coach,  because he was never the type of player to study chess everything comes naturally to him.  But I don't think he gives himself enough credit.  I think he would be a great coach.

you spelled his name wrong and its kinda upsetting how you did this in the past few pages and yes he is the sole leader but i dont expect him to hold it, are you forgetting your predictions with hikaru and how he would somehow win the event or have chances in it? again i have nothing but admiration for aronian and indeed hope he wins the event as he hasnt had a good past but with that said i rlly dont support your criticism of others

He is wearing the American Eagle shirt beacuse of the comments in the who is the most noble thread.       And Magnus has 3 losses in the blitz event.   And just like HIkaru was the only player to go undefeated in the Rapid event.   ONLY PLAYER TO GO UNDEFEATED IN THE RAPID EVENT.     Hikaru is still undefeated in the blitz event, and like you said its a huge field all tied behind the 3 leaders.   And what do you mean Aronian hasn't had a good past.  He is one of the best in the world and just won the Tata Steel tournament a few weeks ago which is a huge blitz tourney.   

dude his wife literally past away fighting for her life in a hospital...

I know and he has a beautiful new girlfriend now and just moved to America and having a good time.   Why even bring that up?  I'm leaving now.  have a good night.

cause if your saying aronian has had a good past then your wrong cause he has been going through emotional turmoil and hasnt gone through so much breakthroughs yet. he wasnt doing well in the tour and the blitz event might be his biggest win ever if he manages to do it which will be very beautiful to see. also i kind of hate how you say it so casually that he got a new girlfriend and moved to america, its like Arianne was nothing, thats disrespectful.

I'm talking about his chess career.   Why would I be discussing his personal and private life, why is that even related to the discussion?    I hope he didn't tank today because he got wind of your post.   What is wrong with you?

and i am talking about his literal past and how i am rooting for the guy as he hasnt had any lucky breaks but emotional turmoil, i kind of hate how you just brush it all off and say things are way better now for aronian when it was hard for him to even get through it

Again,  I don't why his personal life should be discussed.  He has a beautiful girlfriend,  just moved to America,  He just won the Tata Steel.    Again,  what is wrong with you?  You just bought him down.   I'm sorry I ever even replied to you at this point.

again whats wrong with you if you call yourself an aronian fan and dont even know he has literally been one of the few people in the elite who has had it the hardest

Its obvious I know his past.   And what is also obvious is that you should have stayed banned because you are still hurting people.   Bringing up his deceased wife into this discussion for no reason,  is evil.

then why did you say he hasnt had a bad past? where were you in 2020 where he literally was doing bad in all tournaments except the magnus chess tour where he got 2nd?

Why bring up his personal life?    And why even bring it up when he has been playing well?  And I completely disagree because the guy has always had an amazing career.  And you contradict yourself like the typical chess player.  He did bad in 2020 but came in 2nd in the Magnus Chess tour.  lol    I think there is something wrong you.    

in one event? dude he lost rlly badly throughout 2020 and only had one good event...

Kowarenai

i was rooting for aronian and radjabov to win one event at least cause they have had it tough

Kowarenai
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i was rooting for aronian and radjabov to win one event at least cause they have had it tough

Then you shouldn't have bought up his deceased wife.  Shame on you.  I didn't like you before.  But now I can't stand you.   "i promise not to hurt people anymore"    remember that?   And that whole fake thread you did justifying why you were unbanned?   I think you're poison.

the only poison is your choosing to say these players have had good events when in reality they managed to win only a few times. such as in the hikaru forum where i stated carlsen never lost to nakamura OTB and that he dominated him in all online matches except the lindoress abbey. you said lots of things that hikaru would somehow win the event and it never happened, the things with aronian were tragic along with radjabov

Kowarenai
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i was rooting for aronian and radjabov to win one event at least cause they have had it tough

Then you shouldn't have bought up his deceased wife.  Shame on you.  I didn't like you before.  But now I can't stand you.   "i promise not to hurt people anymore"    remember that?   And that whole fake thread you did justifying why you were unbanned?   I think you're poison.

the only poison is you choosing to say these players have had good events when in reality they managed to win only a few times. such as in the hikaru forum where i stated carlsen never lost to nakamura OTB and that he dominated him in all online matches except the lindoress abbey. you said lots of things that hikaru would somehow win the event and it never happened, the things with aronian were tragic along with radjabov

You said this right after the guy won the tata steel tournament and was leading in the world blitz championship.   And youa re wrong, just like you were wrong about Carlsen never losing to Nakamura OTB or dominating him online.   And HIkaru is the only guy to go undefeated in this tournament.  That proves his legendary status as far as I'm concerned.   You are constantly wrong about everything you say yet you still open your mouth because you are here to hurt people.   And you succeeded today.  Shame on you.

1. he was leading the world blitz championship and i was happy for him

2. its elite chess and i dont think you understand what beating even means

3. the only shame is the troll who still thinks he is a important big shot

krazeechess
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CooloutAC disrespects anything chess. This is clearly evident in all his postings of the topics he hijacks with his negative attention seeking.

Frankly - it’s hard to respect anyone who even responds much less eggs him on by disputing the lies and complete lack of knowledge/ understanding of our hobby. He’s been playing a few short months, can’t improve his rating and is what ? 12 years old. When will people learn to ignore the nonsense? Refuting the stupidity results in further stupidity by this negative trolling member. He’s a minor. Adults that engage kids are making a huge error in judgement.

A violation of the rules for chess needs be enforced regardless of the time format or a time scramble. The arbiter was fully correct by intervening. However… doing so is at his discretion. The use of two hands was not protested by  Firo. He could have easily let it slide as no advantage was gained. A second infraction clearly warrants intervention. The arbiters job/ responsibility is a difficult task at times.

bro why everyone gotta say 12 years old, like we're not that immature...

*said the 12 yr old*

i can talk cuz im 13.25 yrs old

joefpenton
So glad that when a titled player such as RAU4ever thinks that they actually know something about chess, we always have CooloutAC to remind them that they’re wrong. Thanks Coolout, don’t know what we’d do without you!
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It's not using two hands to hand off the captured piece to the 2nd hand. That's a common technique.

he actually took the black pawn with his left hand and moved his piece with his right.  It was an illegal move but I always though the onus was on the player to call that out and stop the clock.  But I guess if the arbiter sees it he can intervene in that situation.   Looks like it distracted Alireza more then helped him, then again maye he knew what he was doing.  He is a pro after all lol. 

What I found fascinating watching that though is how attentive he is to the clock.  Everytime his opponent took at least 2 seconds he made sure to look at the clock to see if he is flagged.  You can tell that guy is a pro blitz player.  

its a dirty flag nothing pro at all and the win was pretty simple there

My friend,  flagging someone is a skill.    One of the differences between blitz and classical is knowing how to make moves to waste your opponents time.

flagging is not a skill as it doesnt even display your technique or anything, flagging is just winning by time and not really a true win at all if you arent even dominating positionally

Flagging is very much a skill. On top of requiring speed, it also requires tactical and positional moves that you would not find in a long time control game. Take the game, Rey Enigma vs Anatoly Karpov from a few days ago. In the board position, Rey Enigma's rook is trapped. Theoretically, Rxd6 is the best move. But, because they were playing a blitz game, Rey Enigma played the absolutely incredible Re7!? The reason being, that on Rxd6, Karpov simply plays exd6, and the win is fast and simple. All he has to do is push the d-pawn. Instead now, after Nxe7, Karpov still has to figure out a way to promote one of his pawns. And thatnks to that complication, Rey Enigma managed to flag Karpov and draw the game by Time Out vs Insufficient Material.

 

 

Kowarenai

what complications? no offence to rey enigma but after the rook blunder it was just a clean game for karpov and i am only calling dirty flagging not a skill. of course i would still praise enigma as he got a draw against karpov and is such a amazing player i am eager to learn more about but i wouldnt act like its the most respectable draw seen at the end. its blitz and anything happens but i am happy with the game between them and hope to see rey again

Anonymous_Dragon

Sorry bro , but calling dirty flagging as not being a skill is quite inappropriate and disrespectful . The clock is a part of the game and not all games need to be won on the basis of the position on the board

goldenbeer
Dirty flagging is part of the blitz and is a skill there. Maybe it’s dirty and annoying, but it’s part of the game. It’s clearly not a classical chess, even in classical, when players run into time trouble, the one who is a better flagger has a better winning chance. And Magnus is one of the best flaggers.

In 2019 blitz, Alireza had a winning position against Magnus, Magnus had only a bishop but flagged alireza. Since it was possible to arrange the pieces so that he delivers mate, he won the game (if alireza had nothing, then it was a draw). If wasn’t dirty flagging, most likely Alireza was going to win the title that year, not Magnus. Back then I don’t remember a single top player complaining about that very dirty flagging of Magnus, now Hammer says a complete nonsense.
Kowarenai
goldenbeer wrote:
Dirty flagging is part of the blitz and is a skill there. Maybe it’s dirty and annoying, but it’s part of the game. It’s clearly not a classical chess, even in classical, when players run into time trouble, the one who is a better flagger has a better winning chance. And Magnus is one of the best flaggers.

In 2019 blitz, Alireza had a winning position against Magnus, Magnus had only a bishop but flagged alireza. Since it was possible to arrange the pieces so that he delivers mate, he won the game (if alireza had nothing, then it was a draw). If wasn’t dirty flagging, most likely Alireza was going to win the title that year, not Magnus. Back then I don’t remember a single top player complaining about that very dirty flagging of Magnus, now Hammer says a complete nonsense.

some players were displeased with that flagging cause they cant believe carlsen got a win since he didnt have sufficient material but by a technicality he got it cause it was possible to checkmate very rarely. i dont view dirty flagging as a skill cause the win is undeserved and only makes you a better flagger as in the end you didnt outplay anyone nor displayed skill

Kowarenai
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

Sorry bro , but calling dirty flagging as not being a skill is quite inappropriate and disrespectful . The clock is a part of the game and not all games need to be won on the basis of the position on the board

its not disrespectful but just really portraying how someone goes for time flags than actual wins, if i was the one to dirty flag you in a completely losing position thats disrespectful to you cause i had no business of winning that game and didnt even outplay you. like i said towards golden in my view it only shows you being a better flagger, not a better player.

dirty flagging you in this position doesnt make me a good player, if anything its more laughable how you can call dirty flagging not disrespectful as here i am pretty much going desperate for the flag and premoving till you lose on time. there is no actual skill being featured but random premoves and shuffling until you flag in a position you should have won and not lost. that my friend is why dirty flagging in my opinion isnt skill cause its just luck

Anonymous_Dragon
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Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

Sorry bro , but calling dirty flagging as not being a skill is quite inappropriate and disrespectful . The clock is a part of the game and not all games need to be won on the basis of the position on the board

its not disrespectful but just really portraying how someone goes for time flags than actual wins, if i was the one to dirty flag you in a completely losing position thats disrespectful to you cause i had no business of winning that game and didnt even outplay you. like i said towards golden in my view it only shows you being a better flagger, not a better player.

 

dirty flagging you in this position doesnt make me a good player, if anything its more laughable how you can call dirty flagging not disrespectful as here i am pretty much going desperate for the flag and premoving till you lose on time. there is no actual skill being featured but random premoves and shuffling until you flag in a position you should have won and not lost. that my friend is why dirty flagging in my opinion isnt skill cause its just luck

Nope mate  it wouldn't be disrespectful to me if you flagged me in a losing position . That would mean I played better moves , but didn't manage my time well . And you played average moves but in a short amount of time . 

And what do you mean by a person who flags has no business winning ? He won on time . Every result doesn't have to be on the position . Infact it's the player who played the better chess has no business winning cause he couldn't make his moves in the given amount of time .

Kowarenai
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Fuchuina wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

Sorry bro , but calling dirty flagging as not being a skill is quite inappropriate and disrespectful . The clock is a part of the game and not all games need to be won on the basis of the position on the board

its not disrespectful but just really portraying how someone goes for time flags than actual wins, if i was the one to dirty flag you in a completely losing position thats disrespectful to you cause i had no business of winning that game and didnt even outplay you. like i said towards golden in my view it only shows you being a better flagger, not a better player.

 

dirty flagging you in this position doesnt make me a good player, if anything its more laughable how you can call dirty flagging not disrespectful as here i am pretty much going desperate for the flag and premoving till you lose on time. there is no actual skill being featured but random premoves and shuffling until you flag in a position you should have won and not lost. that my friend is why dirty flagging in my opinion isnt skill cause its just luck

Nope mate  it wouldn't be disrespectful to me if you flagged me in a losing position . That would mean I played better moves , but didn't manage my time well . And you played average moves but in a short amount of time . 

And what do you mean by a person who flags has no business winning ? He won on time . Every result doesn't have to be on the position . Infact it's the player who played the better chess has no business winning cause he couldn't make his moves in the given amount of time .

a person who dirty flags has no business winning the game and calling himself better and i have nothing against dirty flagging but i hate that some would even consider it skill when its not rlly managing time, its just being faster and making random moves in time scrambles. a person who flags normally has earned his win both on the board and on time which is more skillful than a dirty flag as well its not requiring chess skill but speed skill and tricks imo

goldenbeer
@Fuchuina, it’s a blitz game and dirty flagging is really a strategy and technique. What do you want them to show at blitz? Knowledge and calculation/imagination power? Can they do it in a perfect form in such a limited time? They can’t. So they should fill this gap with a third skill: flagging.
janeymacfeck

Great work by the arbiter. It was an ILLEGAL MOVE.

Kowarenai
goldenbeer wrote:
@Fuchuina, it’s a blitz game and dirty flagging is really a strategy and technique. What do you want them to show at blitz? Knowledge and calculation/imagination power? Can they do it in a perfect form in such a limited time? They can’t. So they should fill this gap with a third skill: flagging.

i get that its a blitz game and i have nothing against dirty flagging except it being called skill

Kowarenai
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:

Sorry bro , but calling dirty flagging as not being a skill is quite inappropriate and disrespectful . The clock is a part of the game and not all games need to be won on the basis of the position on the board

its not disrespectful but just really portraying how someone goes for time flags than actual wins, if i was the one to dirty flag you in a completely losing position thats disrespectful to you cause i had no business of winning that game and didnt even outplay you. like i said towards golden in my view it only shows you being a better flagger, not a better player.

 

dirty flagging you in this position doesnt make me a good player, if anything its more laughable how you can call dirty flagging not disrespectful as here i am pretty much going desperate for the flag and premoving till you lose on time. there is no actual skill being featured but random premoves and shuffling until you flag in a position you should have won and not lost. that my friend is why dirty flagging in my opinion isnt skill cause its just luck

Nope mate  it wouldn't be disrespectful to me if you flagged me in a losing position . That would mean I played better moves , but didn't manage my time well . And you played average moves but in a short amount of time . 

And what do you mean by a person who flags has no business winning ? He won on time . Every result doesn't have to be on the position . Infact it's the player who played the better chess has no business winning cause he couldn't make his moves in the given amount of time .

a person who dirty flags has no business winning the game and calling himself better and i have nothing against dirty flagging but i hate that some would even consider it skill when its not rlly managing time, its just being faster and making random moves in time scrambles. a person who flags normally has earned his win both on the board and on time which is more skillful than a dirty flag as well its not requiring chess skill but speed skill and tricks imo

You literally contradicted yourself in the very first sentence lmao.   and "random moves"... you keep telling yourself that to sleep at night.   wow.

ikr some person who is bad at chess, hates elite players and doesnt understand that dirty flagging revolves around being a wood pusher calls himself a big god of help to chess wink.png